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Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by 3pt14159 on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @06:26PM (#17657838)
This is precisely why I like Apple. The fact that I got 5 years out of my last MBP was totally amazing. I used that computer at least 10 hours a day, every single day!

I don't care about saving $1k or $2k when it comes to a device I use that much. We're talking about a dollar an hour here. I've literally spent more money on coffee over that time.

Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by jandrese on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @06:37PM (#17657912)
I'm typing this post on an 11 year old Dell Latitude D830 running Ubuntu. 5 years is not some amazing lifespan for a laptop, especially these days with such incremental improvements in processors year over year.

Unless you're gaming on your laptop your requirements probably aren't that much higher than they were half a decade ago.

Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by toasterlovin on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @06:48PM (#17657993)
It's an amazing lifespan for anybody who has ever operated a windows laptop.
Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by scarface74 on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @07:56PM (#17658418)
I have a 10 year old Dell Core 2 Duo 2.66Ghz running Windows 10 being used as a Plex Server. It’s only slow when overtaxed because I haven’t bothered upgrading to 8GB of RAM or replace the hard drive with an SSD.

Luckily it has a gigabit Ethernet port so it can take full advantage of my gig internet.

Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by batiudrami on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @10:44PM (#17659240)
My Asus UX31A is six years old and still going strong. It's a pity the RAM is soldered in at 4GB but certainly not worth replacing the entire laptop for it. And it wasn't top of the line - about $1300 as I remember.

Perhaps you just haven't really used a windows laptop recently and only remember the old days when Windows laptops really did only have a life span of about 3 years.

Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by axlee on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @02:22AM (#17660141)
Not really, Thinkpads are known for being built like trucks since the 90s.
Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by madengr on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @09:59PM (#17659048)
That’s an issue with windows, not the laptop. I’m happy enough with the Dell XPS and Linux that I have bought 3.
Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by pjmlp on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @09:47AM (#17662425)
My Windows laptops had a average of 5 years, minimum.

Maybe one should take care about where to service them from?

Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by p2t2p on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @07:30PM (#17668010)
My Thinkpad x201 from 2011 is doing just fine. Java dev, webdev, IntelliJ Idea and VSCode just flies on it. Yeah, no 4k for you though.
Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by 3pt14159 on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @07:08PM (#17658123)
Not only do I occasionally game, I also have a DSLR that generates quite the stream of photos and videos to edit. I also run a bunch of VMs (including one of Ubuntu, my favourite dev environment), and I use photoshop and illustrator for the occasional design thing.
Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by shellkr on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @07:30PM (#17658241)
Me too.. but mostly just personal stuff. I use DarkTable and Gimp for that. I did this on a 13 year old machine running Linux. It is still running but I got my hands on a cheap NUC that I use nowadays. My machines are pretty much running 24/7 all year around..

My impression when it comes to Mac is that people don't want to pay ludicrous prices for repairs e.t.c.. anymore. Also that they can not upgrade because their current machine can't handle the new OS e.t.c..

Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by avcdsuia on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @12:27AM (#17659673)
The only stumbling block for old laptops is bad display quality. Switching from classic ThinkPad to MacBook really save my eyes.
Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by jandrese on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @01:23PM (#17664639)
The trick to avoiding this is to buy laptops with good displays in the first place. The D830 has a 1920x1200 display that is a little bit dimmer but just as readable today. It's not a retina display, but it looks just fine to me.

I was looking at laptops about 3 years ago and it was extremely hard to find ones that didn't use that cursed 1366x768 resolution.

Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by spinach on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @06:49PM (#17658003)
Is 5 years really that amazing? I had 7-8 years on an Asus laptop I just recently replaced that I traveled with and used all the time.
Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by slantyyz on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @10:06PM (#17659081)
>> The fact that I got 5 years out of my last MBP was totally amazing.

No, it's not.

A 15" _2011_ Macbook Pro with a quad core i7 is still more than usable today.

If you bought a Macbook Pro with a powerful CPU (i.e., CPU model not ending with a U), you should easily get 10 years out of it.*

[edit] * At least until Apple decides not to support it with OS upgrades, but you can always run the latest Windows on it. And Windows generally runs faster in Boot Camp on Macbook Pros than OSX does natively.

Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by IntelMiner on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @10:34PM (#17659199)
"you can always run the latest Windows on it. And Windows generally runs faster in Boot Camp on Macbook Pros than OSX does natively."

When did this happen? The last time I used Bootcamp, it seemed almost specifically designed to make Windows feel like a sub-par experience compared to OS X

Using a then-brand-new 2012 MBP with the latest version of OS X at the time (I believe Lion?) with Bootcamp. Some of the bizarre omissions I witnessed were

- A buggy BIOS implementation instead of EFI (rEFInd at least let me try and boot Linux under EFI)

- SSD set to run in IDE mode, instead of AHCI, resulting in utterly crippled performance (required issuing dd commands to the disk from within OS X to fix)

- No GPU switching. Only the Radeon card was enabled, leaving the system running insanely hot and guzzling battery

The final straw was when I ran some test VM's on it, and under a sustained load, had the CPU hit an eye watering 117 degrees celsius. Shutting it down almost immediately and then asking on tech oriented IRC channels I was in if this was a bug simply yielded dismissal from Apple acolytes at the time

"Oh it's DESIGNED to do that, the whole system is a huge heatsink!"

"Just make sure it's getting plenty of airflow, it's fine"

Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by slantyyz on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @10:18AM (#17662677)
This is anecdotal - on my 2008 Macbook (not Pro) and on my 2011 MBP, Windows 8+ always felt snappier than the latest version of OSX (ymmv based on what you do). I have seen other people on HN report similar.
Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by com2kid on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @07:33PM (#17658268)
My Windows PC is from 2012, works great.

$1200 in parts total. When (if) GPU prices go down I'll throw a new one and be good for another few years.

I expect hardware failure of the CPU or Motherboard to do the machine in before it becomes obsolete.

Put all my money into RAM and SSD, upper mid range CPU, mid range GPU, life is good.

Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by xienze on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @07:10PM (#17658135)
Getting 5 years out of a laptop isn’t particularly impressive, especially if your laptop can be upgraded. Perhaps it’s remarkable that a laptop that can’t be upgraded lasts that long, so congrats I guess.
Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by mikestew on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @08:03PM (#17658453)
I don't care about saving $1k or $2k when it comes to a device I use that much.

I said nothing about price. You don’t want to know the eye-watering numbers attached to that iMac I sold. And it’s great that you and I can get such life out of our machines. But in the context of the topic at hand, its not great that you and I sit on five year old machines because Apple makes nothing so compelling so as to make me say, “Shut up and take my money.” Because I own shares of AAPL, too.

Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by tormeh on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @06:49PM (#17658005)
My parents are still using the absolute garbage quality Acer gaming laptop I bought in 2009. The durability is awful, the design is not very pragmatic, the less said about software and drivers the better... But it's still working.
Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by xaldir on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @06:41AM (#17661289)
My thinkpad x220 is my work laptop since 2011, with a few upgrades (ssd, 16gb ram, battery, because you can actually upgrade it) it performs quite well to this day.
Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by gnicholas on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @06:54PM (#17658028)
I have loved some of the Macs I owned, but I don't think that comment was meant as a compliment. It is unfortunate that so many people would rather limp by on 3-5 year old machines rather than paying for what Apple is selling new. The fact that they are able to limp by is better than the alternative — but I count myself among those who couldn't. My MBA gave out last year and I bought an MBP with a compromised keyboard. I wish it weren't so.
Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by pjmlp on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @09:44AM (#17662402)
My 10 year old Asus is still working quite well, already went through Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and all releases of 10.

The GPU is a GT200M with 1GB dedicated RAM, still pretty much in shape versus the toy Intel GPUs.

In those 10 years extended it to 8GB and replaced the HD with a SSD.

Original sales price, 1 000 euros.

Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by tunesmith on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @08:11PM (#17658500)
I agree. I used my 2013 MBP heavily for compiled programming and music production. Just upgraded to the 2018 MBP and am very happy with it.
Re:Apple Reports Third Quarter Results by saagarjha on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @08:49PM (#17658707)
Five years for a Mac isn't all that long. You're still getting software support!