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Re:The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next? by vkou on Monday July 30, 2018 @02:28AM (#17642456)
> The simple feature of reducing settlements from days into seconds is by itself a great use-case.

The reasons for why settlements take days, and not seconds, is procedural, not technical. If the financial world wanted instant settlements, we would have had them decades ago.

The financial world optimizes for intent and compliance, not speed. This is why settlements take days, and why cryptocoins aren't very interesting to it.

Transferring money from one account to another account is as simple as updating two rows in a database. That the database is not a distributed proof-of-work ledger has nothing to do with it taking days.

Re:The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next? by pjc50 on Monday July 30, 2018 @06:11AM (#17643366)
As others have pointed out, plenty of other countries have this. The United States doesn't because it's "not a country": there isn't a single financial services regulatory jurisdiction, there's 50 different ones, and enough people are opposed to the federal government on "principle" (?) that there's no support for useful coordination efforts.
Re:The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next? by chosenbreed on Monday July 30, 2018 @09:14AM (#17644170)
Good point. A lot of comments here about relative settlement times. But it occurs to me that most of these are in the context of transfers/settlements within a jurisdiction. What is the story on moving money between countries? At the moment I'm have to pay significant premiums to accomplish this (and it is not usually instant). Am I missing something?
Re:The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next? by aiCeivi9 on Monday July 30, 2018 @04:50AM (#17643032)
> If the financial world wanted instant settlements, we would have had them decades ago.

As a confirmation - they wanted it and they have it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area#SEPA...

Re:The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next? by TheSpiceIsLife on Monday July 30, 2018 @05:15AM (#17643140)
Australia also has instant transfers between banks, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Payments_Platform
Re:The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next? by jmknoll on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:31AM (#17642680)
Can you expand on this a little more? Why does the financial sector want settlements to take longer?
Re:The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next? by tialaramex on Monday July 30, 2018 @05:07AM (#17643115)
Invariably for some fraction of transactions you'll later find out the settlement shouldn't have been executed. It doesn't matter whose "fault" that is, either way somebody will get screwed when this happens. If you wait longer, you may detect this before settlement completes and nobody gets screwed.

In my country there's a scam where people find out you're buying a house through a particular solicitor with a large cash transfer, then they send you an email or even a physical letter saying there's a problem, the solicitor just found out their firm got a new bank, or whatever, please transfer the house money to the new account. Of course it's a lot of money so most people will want to check this is right - they provide their phone number on the message. This number, of course, is part of the scam and a "secretary" will answer saying your solicitor is busy right now, but yes, they're very sorry, the message is genuine and please use the new account details.

The large sums involved mean this scam is very lucrative even if it doesn't work on say, 99% of potential victims.

If the victim realises they've been scammed ten minutes after the transfer, chances are good the bank can fix it, because settlements aren't really instant. If they realise the next day, or two, or three days later, the money is gone. It went to a mule, who has already forwarded it, the police might arrest the mule if they can find them, but the mule doesn't have your money, they're just another sucker.

Re:The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next? by handsomechad on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:55AM (#17642787)
presumably for time to detect and prevent fraud or illegal transactions.
Re:The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next? by new_guy on Monday July 30, 2018 @05:09AM (#17643123)
They also get the interest on your money before passing it onto the next party, multiply that by everyone and it's a not insubstantial sum.
Re:The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next? by piva00 on Monday July 30, 2018 @05:09AM (#17643122)
Risk aversion (against fraud, criminal activities, etc.) and also because a bank earns money as long as it can hold that money, every day that money is accruing interests so if you can hold on that money for longer it makes you more money without any downsides.
Re:The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next? by bartread on Monday July 30, 2018 @08:45AM (#17644019)
Doesn't that become a zero-sum game, or close to, when you take into account the aggregate effect of all money transfers?