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Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by messe on Thursday July 26, 2018 @09:00PM (#17622678)
> Decline and visit plaintext site

This doesn't count as opt-out by default behavour for tracking. Have any complaints been made in the EU toward NPR?

EDIT: Glad this is getting some attention, whether it be upvoting or downvoting.

Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by jacquesm on Thursday July 26, 2018 @09:23PM (#17622772)
You shouldn't make frivolous complaints. You are just adding noise and drowning out the real signal based on your knee jerk reaction to something that you don't like but that is actually perfectly legal and in fact a reasonable solution, after all, you did get to read the article.

Personally I prefer the NPR's 'text' version over their fancy one anyway. It loads quicker and doesn't have any of the js nonsense.

Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by SOLAR_FIELDS on Thursday July 26, 2018 @09:48PM (#17622870)
I like the plaintext version better too, but when I hit decline it redirects me to the “main page” of the plaintext site which just shows a top 10 stories view. Am I missing how to go see the story from plaintext due to some browser settings or something? Running latest iOS on iPhone 7+
Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by Firerouge on Thursday July 26, 2018 @09:53PM (#17622895)
Same problem, the decline (opt-out) seems to make it impossible to read the article. Android chrome.
Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by messe on Thursday July 26, 2018 @10:05PM (#17622944)
I feel like the majority of people downvoting my original top level comment haven't had to click the decline/opt-out link.
Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by jacquesm on Friday July 27, 2018 @07:21AM (#17625117)
I feel like you did not really look:

https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=629871725

Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by toast_coder on Thursday July 26, 2018 @09:33PM (#17622813)
GDPR is criminalizing all websites because compliance is impossible. It puts european officials in exactly the possition they want to be in, everyone is breaking the law an enforcement is a matter of who their friends are.

Majors websites are taking steps to remove access from eu. This will only get worse. Be prepared to live in the environmet your politicians have created, or be prepared to come back to planet reality.

I speak personally, as a technical architect for international sales organization. People who basically are not in that position don't realize the way the law is written that compliance is not feasible. You are simply gambling that the shakedown form the enforceres won't be to bad.

Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by zucan on Thursday July 26, 2018 @11:18PM (#17623206)
If compliance is impossible, it's probably because your business model is incompatible even with the spirit of GDPR - the notion that a person should have control over their data and other entities should handle it with care.

If compliance is expensive, it's probably because your business profitted somehow from handling personal data (or you let someone else reap the profits, e.g. tracking ad networks).

I find your situation similar to the one of an engineer in a chemical plant who got the task to make the whole place completely ecofriendly due to new regulations. The solution to just block the EU and resume business elsewhere is the best course of action if complying is indeed impossible or infeasible for your business. If your organization decides to gamble because there is still profit to be made in the EU, it's on them when enforcement comes around someday.

In any case, competitors will find a way to offer GDPR-compliant services and there might be enough demand for data protection laws in the US, changing how businesses have to deal with personal data. Time will tell.

Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by toast_coder on Friday July 27, 2018 @09:07AM (#17625666)
I agree with your statement, my business model IS incompatible with the spirit of GDPR. You and I are just looking at GDPR differently. You think its somthing good.

You are wrong about the business profiting from personal data however. That doesn't happen. Again, my assumption is you are a lay person and you do not understand the complexities of data management. You are making assumptions about why data is handled the way way that it is, assuming the reason is greed or incompetence. You're wrong.

I certainaly conceed that it is possible that compotition could come along and be GDPR compliant and 'win' but from my perspective that wont happen. What will happen is the largest organizations will be fined into regularly spending large amounts of money to work on GDPR, hold the regulators off to to some extent and small players will never exist or get destroyed because one small wrong move and one wrong bureaucrat has that power over them.

Time never stops telling a new story, but what time is saying right now is the America is dominating the EU in information technology and that sure looks like it will continue throughout my lifetime.

Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by messe on Thursday July 26, 2018 @09:39PM (#17622836)
> GDPR is criminalizing all websites because compliance is impossible

I disagree, compliance isn't particularly difficult unless you're going out of your way to do something harmful to your users.

> be prepared to come back to planet reality.

Please refrain from hyperboly, I'd much rather a civil discussion about this.

Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by will4274 on Thursday July 26, 2018 @09:54PM (#17622903)
> compliance isn't particularly difficult unless you're going out of your way to do something harmful to your users.

Please stop spreading this FUD. There are tons of architectures (e.g. Apache Kafka) which were totally sane and require total reorganization to become compliant. Dismissing this as "not very difficult" and adding a snide little attack on anybody who disagrees is untrue and an ad hominem to boot.

Complying with GDPR is costly and significant work. If implememtations match legislative aspirations, it could also be a significant boon to consumers. However, legitimate questions about the level of compliance, particularly from companies with unscrupulous business models leave it currently vague whether the boon will be realized in full, in part, or not at all.

Though I know hacker news discourages political discourse and meta, I would interject - almost all political topics have upsides and downsides. Pretending that the downsides don't exist on any policy isn't passionate advocacy - it's just degrading the level of discourse.

Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by bipson on Friday July 27, 2018 @04:24AM (#17624398)
I think you have the definition of FUD backwards
Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by tzs on Thursday July 26, 2018 @10:34PM (#17623051)
> I disagree, compliance isn't particularly difficult unless you're going out of your way to do something harmful to your users

Article 27 is a big pain for those of us not established in the Union, regardless of whether or not we are doing anything harmful to our users.

Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by cosmojg on Thursday July 26, 2018 @09:06PM (#17622704)
Doesn't it? By default, you're opted out of loading the page altogether. You may then opt in for the full version or remain opted out and continue onto the plaintext version.

Personally, I love this implementation.

Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by messe on Thursday July 26, 2018 @09:20PM (#17622761)
If opt out were truly the default, it would, in turn here, imply that default behaviour of the site is to serve the plaintext version. This is obviously not the case and has never been the case.
Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by zucan on Thursday July 26, 2018 @11:55PM (#17623322)
"opt-out as default" in the context of GDPR means that all EU citizens have to be considered as not having given consent to usage of their personal data until they explicitly do so. See Recital 32, Sentence 3: "Silence, pre-ticked boxes or inactivity should not therefore constitute consent." [0] in the context of consent of the data subject to make processing of personal data lawful (Article 6 [1])

I'd be glad if you could point out a regulation on the content website owners must offer to people who do not wish their personal data to be processed.

[0] https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-32/

[1] https://gdpr-info.eu/art-6-gdpr/

Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by freeone3000 on Thursday July 26, 2018 @09:58PM (#17622918)
I don't think it's "obviously" not the case. Plain text has been the default since before we had displays. It was not the default for NPR since before GDPR, and now it is.

Moreover, the only image in the article is a non-content header display image. The entire article is plain text. You are experiencing no degradation, and honestly an improvement! (smaller page, less loading, less waiting, easier to manage on smaller screens...) I wish this became the standard for compliance.

Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by megaman22 on Thursday July 26, 2018 @09:23PM (#17622775)
Pretty sure NPR shouldn't be particularly concerned about foreign regulations. It's an entirely US based entity.
Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by jessaustin on Thursday July 26, 2018 @09:43PM (#17622850)
Lots of regulations eventually shift in people's estimation from "this might be a good idea" when introduced to "this is what God intended" after years of acclimation. The shift seems to have been really fast for this regulation.
Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by messe on Thursday July 26, 2018 @09:41PM (#17622841)
In that case, why serve the page at all?
Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by jessaustin on Thursday July 26, 2018 @09:45PM (#17622859)
Dude, they're trying to serve you. It's not as if you paid them anything for TFA. Yet you're perfectly satisfied for them to be threatened from abroad? Wow.
Re:A Drop of 4 Degrees Made a Big Difference for a Garment M... by megaman22 on Thursday July 26, 2018 @09:44PM (#17622855)
Because that's not how the internet ever worked before this foolishness.