Re:A Chicken Farmer Spy Who Tricked Hitler and Saved D-Day
by meowface on Thursday July 26, 2018 @04:20AM
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It's incredible how comprehensively they constructed the ruse. The Allies really outsmarted the Axis in every way. Successful operation ruses, cracked ciphers, complete control over the intelligence networks.
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Re:A Chicken Farmer Spy Who Tricked Hitler and Saved D-Day
by NeedMoreTea on Thursday July 26, 2018 @07:41AM
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As well as the crucial point lostlogin raises, the Allies were assuming the Abwehr were rather better at espionage and reconnaissance than they turned out to be. Some was discovered via SIGINT from Bletchley and some not until the fall of Berlin.
Just as well as one of the British officers (Strangeways) was making the southern deception rather difficult by disagreeing with everything.
The Allies had to assume the Germans had a working spy network in the UK, turns out they had none and we caught or turned the lot. Those agents (including Pujol), the extensive continental networks and Ultra meant they could spread disinformation effectively and check to see if the bait was taken, repeatedly.
It could have been a lot more difficult if Hitler had listened to his High Command a little more.
Re:A Chicken Farmer Spy Who Tricked Hitler and Saved D-Day
by al_chemist on Thursday July 26, 2018 @03:37PM
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> The Allies really outsmarted the Axis in every way.
History written by the victors. On our side bright minds and heroic hearts and on their side cowards and dunderheads. /s
Re:A Chicken Farmer Spy Who Tricked Hitler and Saved D-Day
by meowface on Thursday July 26, 2018 @03:39PM
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Good point, but from what I've read of the war, it seems like the Allies absolutely dominated the intelligence (as in espionage) aspect in an objective sense. I think the Germans admitted post-war they got outplayed. Clearly the Axis was better at certain other things than the Allies, though, otherwise they wouldn't have taken over so much territory.
Re:A Chicken Farmer Spy Who Tricked Hitler and Saved D-Day
by lostlogin on Thursday July 26, 2018 @04:51AM
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The convoluted control of the German army helped in no small part. Rommel was hamstrung and prevented from acting. Hitler’s paranoia effectively blocked any real decision making and this was crucial for the Allies in the vulnerable early stages.
https://www.historyonthenet.com/axis-commanders-and-leaders-...