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Re:Departing Facebook security officer advocated for shifts ... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday July 24, 2018 @05:34PM (#17605142)
> they're picking a side based on policy or technical issues

Let's be realistic. They're picking a side based on commercial motivations.

Re:Departing Facebook security officer advocated for shifts ... by snowwrestler on Tuesday July 24, 2018 @09:54PM (#17606380)
Well to be specific, when it comes to how content gets distributed across a billion Facebook newsfeeds...

The big problem is not that Facebook the company is picking sides, the big problem is that Facebook the company built a machine to pick sides, and told the machine to base its decisions solely on how much reaction content gets from people. So of course it over-prioritizes the worst, most shocking, most manipulative, most extreme content--because that's what gets the biggest reactions.

And the really big problem is that Facebook either doesn't understand, or wants to pretend it doesn't understand, why that is bad.

Understanding, accepting the implications, and doing something--that's what Facebook needs to do.

Re:Departing Facebook security officer advocated for shifts ... by notatoad on Tuesday July 24, 2018 @05:46PM (#17605225)
from a long enough view, every decision a business makes is commercially motivated, so simplifying a decision down to picking a side based on commercial motivations isn't really helpful. Optimizing for immediate growth, long term growth, good PR, capital outlay, or maintaining a relationship with a valuable customer are all "commercial motivations" but usually in conflict with each other.

it's pretty hard to find a business decision that can be reduced down to "should we make money, or not make money?"

Re:Departing Facebook security officer advocated for shifts ... by ljw1001 on Tuesday July 24, 2018 @07:03PM (#17605623)
Is Facebook in danger of not making money? I think the decision is a bit easier: should we make as much money as we possibly can, or should we forgo some profit to mitigate the assault on privacy and democracy that is the by-product of our business model.
Re:Departing Facebook security officer advocated for shifts ... by notatoad on Tuesday July 24, 2018 @07:13PM (#17605676)
My point was that "should we make as much money as we possibly can" is simplifying the question beyond the point of usefulness. Yes, facebook wants to make as much money as they possibly can. But it's not obvious that selling political ads to russians is the best money-making scheme.

You can't simplify the issue down to there being one action that is more profitable and one that is less so. the world is more complicated than that. Forgoing some profit in the short term in order to gain some trust from the userbase may be more profitable in the long run. Or maybe it won't be. It's a decision that facebook's leadership has to make, and it's not as simple as "we'll take the option that makes more money".

Burning down my house would net me a nice payout from the insurance company, but it's probably not a good financial decision in the longer term. when looking at corporate motivations, it's easy to say they're going to pick the most evil choice if it's the profitable one, but business leaders aren't all stupid, and picking the evil choice is often stupid.

Re:Departing Facebook security officer advocated for shifts ... by gaius on Wednesday July 25, 2018 @02:01AM (#17607161)
from a long enough view, every decision a business makes is commercially motivated

Sure, but Facebook doesn’t look any further into the future than “the next click”.

Re:Departing Facebook security officer advocated for shifts ... by drewmol on Tuesday July 24, 2018 @07:48PM (#17605854)
while money is not null if make money getdata(users) getmoney(data) else getdata(users) getdata(money) set make money