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Re:11% of Americans don’t use the internet by EGreg on Monday July 23, 2018 @08:17PM (#17597114)
If literacy involves writing, then most kids are illiterate.

Remember the three R’s? Now it’s down to two. Well, maybe one (American kids have long been using calculators).

But a deeper question is, what do we actually lose if people can’t write by hand or do arithmetic?

Re:11% of Americans don’t use the internet by pmiller2 on Monday July 23, 2018 @08:47PM (#17597276)
Writing typically refers to composition, not penmanship. I’m not actually sure penmanship has suffered much from ubiquitous computing. It would be interesting to do a study on it.
Re:11% of Americans don’t use the internet by mjevans on Monday July 23, 2018 @10:44PM (#17597733)
Depends what you want out of kids. I can tell you how to NOT do it.

Don't start with block lettering for all of pre and grade school, then switch to ONLY cursive for 3 years... now I can't write anything nicely. It's still readable, more so to me.

As for actual composition, don't force kids in to a rigid structure all the time. Maybe they've changed that too. It took me years to write in a more free form.

Re:11% of Americans don’t use the internet by krageon on Tuesday July 24, 2018 @05:24AM (#17599332)
I had only cursive for my entire first twelve years of school, then slowly switched to block letters. My handwriting is really nice, but I don't think it had much to do with my school(s). I can't really glean from your comment why you think the kind of writing you are taught has anything to do with the kind of writing you use now.
Re:11% of Americans don’t use the internet by ConceptJunkie on Tuesday July 24, 2018 @10:57AM (#17601587)
I stopped writing in cursive the minute I graduated from high school and never looked back. I understand the point and purpose of cursive, I just never liked it.

By the early 90s, my ability to write began to atrophy, not that I couldn't write fine, but that I couldn't write much without my hand getting tired. Now, I can't write more than a few sentences before my hand gets really tired, but I very seldom have a reason to write anything more than a short note. I still make hand-written notes while working (as a software developer), but I find I'm doing that much less than even 5 years ago.

At this point in time, I'd be more concerned about people's ability to compose good communication than their ability to physically write. If social media is any indication, a lot of people can't write simple sentences that follow basic grammar and spelling rules.

Re:11% of Americans don’t use the internet by CalRobert on Tuesday July 24, 2018 @04:02AM (#17598973)
Anecdatum, but my handwriting looks like a 5 year old's. It was best when I was a teenager but now that I probably write fewer than 30 words a week on average it's really taken a nosedive. I don't view it as a huge problem, but it's a bit embarrassing.

Still, turns out being able to type well and quickly is far, far more important in my line of work.

Re:11% of Americans don’t use the internet by ConceptJunkie on Tuesday July 24, 2018 @11:07AM (#17601671)
I can write very nicely if a make an effort, thanks to a lot of drafting I took in high school back in the Dark Ages, but after more than few sentences, my hand starts hurting.
Re:11% of Americans don’t use the internet by PeCaN on Monday July 23, 2018 @10:34PM (#17597697)
> I’m not actually sure penmanship has suffered much from ubiquitous computing.

It certainly has in Japan and China, but I'm not sure that extrapolates to simpler writing systems. I suspect it partially does due to schools spending less time teaching handwriting.

Re:11% of Americans don’t use the internet by aikinai on Tuesday July 24, 2018 @12:29AM (#17598115)
Recall is definitely down, but don’t think penmanship has changed (at least in Japan).

If anything wouldn’t it get better in a sense, since you write so rarely and develop less shortcuts which might be more efficient but less formal/elegant?