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Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by didibus on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:07PM (#17572146)
Have you lived the alternative? It's obvious people are raised to want large houses and large yards, its cultural, but given we'd know the true experience of both would we still feel that way?

I've lived the big city, high density European lifestyle, I lived it in America too, and in Canada, and I've lived the American and Canadian small town life.

They're both nice. The small town life is great if the community is healthy, and there is a town core that is dense of businesses and shops which you can go to and walk around. It gives you access to nature and land in an unprecedented way. And the small population means you get a feel of community and know others, and events can be hosted on peoples properties.

If the town is struggling, its not that great, and can start to feel depressing and isolated.

The european city style is also great, it feels like a buzzing small town, minus the access to land and nature. The sense of community, knowing your neighbors, being proud and invested in your neighborhood. Being physically active. These are all there. Similar to how you can find that in prosperous small towns too.

In the end, I feel the choice between small town and European style cities is personal. If you prefer nature, enjoy quiet downtime, and peace, small town wins. If you prefer urban landscapes, a buzzing vibrant environment, and constant flux of activities and creativity, European cities would win.

That said, I'd be surprised if anyone prefers the American style cities and suburbs. Its like the worst of both worlds. You get a medium sized house, big enough that maintenance is a chore, yet too small to have the space for serious house endeavors. A yard, but too small to have it be a place to enjoy nature. Its not quiet, yet also not buzzing. It lacks creativity and the feeling of community, and everywhere is hard to get too, too far to walk, too crouded to drive.

That's what I think people complain about. I personally hate them with a passion.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by bigger_cheese on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:25AM (#17572696)
I'm not sure about Europe and America but where I live (Australia) living in the city is ridiculously expensive (Sydney routinely ranks as one of the highest cost of living cities in the world).

When I was growing up I lived in the suburbs, I hated it so far from everything, very infrequent public transport (lucky to get one bus an hour). Maybe worst of all as a young geek poor internet speed. I was stuck on dial up for years because it was all we had...

I vowed when I left my parent's home I'd live closer to the city. But it is just so expensive (especially rent) there is no way I can justify it. So I suffer through all the long commutes, traffic congestion hell etc.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by didibus on Friday July 20, 2018 @02:54AM (#17573009)
I totally understand that. Cities can be crazy expensive, and small towns lack the job market some people need.

I guess I just wonder sometime, what if we designed a city where cars took second place, and high density, public transit, walk-ability, bike-ability, e-bike, car share, etc, was made the priority. Would it make for nicer cities, which are more livable and affordable?

I don't know, maybe not, but it seems as long as Car are still around, we'll never try it out.

EDIT: Generally, dense cities in the European style are like that because they were designed prior to the existence of Cars, and thus Cars have never been able to enter them successfully, too small roads, and weird road networks. Since they were made for walking, they're automatically higher density. But, those cities were also designed before public transit, e-bike, bikes, scooters, package delivery, car share, etc. So I feel like we could do much better then those today.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by linkregister on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:41AM (#17572750)
Why not move to a smaller city that is more affordable? Brisbane has software jobs and a lower cost of living.

Condos in Perth near the CBD are surprisingly very affordable, though there are fewer good jobs.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by King-Aaron on Friday July 20, 2018 @02:10AM (#17572865)
Perth has a sickeningly low density of residents within the CBD, and as a result you can get some really good deals on apartments within a stones throw to the city. It's also got a pretty good 'small town' sort of atmosphere compared to other cities.

It's not exactly the most progressive of places, however. But personally I love it.

NB: I'm currently in the position of purchasing land in Perth and you can get some good sub-$200k deals on 350-400 square metre blocks within 20 minutes to the city too if you look around.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by dbetteridge on Friday July 20, 2018 @04:47AM (#17573423)
Existing house or empty lot?

I'm looking in the near future so would be keen to know where to look.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by King-Aaron on Friday July 20, 2018 @10:10PM (#17580370)
I'm looking at empty lots.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by dbetteridge on Friday July 20, 2018 @04:44AM (#17573413)
Come work in Perth, if you're handy with web dev and don't mind learning some GIS skills I might be able to get you an interview :)
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by claydavisss on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:36PM (#17572238)
Yes, lived in urban environments. When I was young and single I didn't mind density and the resulting loss of personal space. Now that I am older I want as much space between me and my neighbors as possible. Short of a trip to the hospital, I have no plans on sharing a wall with a stranger ever again.