Re:GitHub is down
by r_singh on Monday July 16, 2018 @01:48PM
(#17543293)
I'm being able to use github intermittently here in India. What a Monday for coders in timezones when you expect to start the week with a productive day!!
Re:GitHub is down
by Analemma_ on Monday July 16, 2018 @02:53PM
(#17543911)
Compiling is at least a legitimate excuse though, if you don't have a build server or something. If you can't get any work done when GitHub is down, that is a red flag that your process is horribly broken.
You could have a second bot that posts a comment in the thread each time with something like: "See, this is why you shouldn't use hosted services for your core infrastructure." Lots of karma to be had there as well.
Re:GitHub is down
by dewey on Monday July 16, 2018 @01:46PM
(#17543275)
Maybe also something about how git is decentralized already and we are all silly for making it central again? Also seems to be one of the regular first 10 comments on a Github downtime...
Re:GitHub is down
by cirowrc on Monday July 16, 2018 @01:42PM
(#17543219)
You could have a third bot that posts a comment in the thread each time You could have a second bot that posts a comment in the thread each time with something like: "See, this is why you shouldn't use hosted services for your core infrastructure." Lots of karma to be had there as well.
Re:GitHub is down
by dvfjsdhgfv on Monday July 16, 2018 @01:47PM
(#17543292)
And the value of karma is? There are many intelligent people here on HN. The fact that we even mention such a petty concept as karma shows we got hooked up on these little mind tricks just as easily as everyone else.
Re:GitHub is down
by meuk on Monday July 16, 2018 @03:20PM
(#17544164)
I noticed this as well. I usually can't resist bashing Microsoft and Steve Jobs (it's funny how I think Apple is a great company but Steve Jobs is the worst, and Bill Gates is a great person but Microsoft is a terrible, bureaucratic company). This has cost me a lot of karma, I think. But I still can't resist. I'm a man on a mission, I guess.
Yeah, pretty weird incentives system. It's difficult to filter and sort comments in online communities in
ways that don't lead to such a behavior. But I think people will try to get approval even without any point system.
We fall for Karma points because we crave for external validation and want a feeling of belonging because and although we know that we're ultimately alone in our own brain and reduce those pressing feelings of nothingness using approval.
I think even without a point system, people would try to get approval. The desire is already in us. The environment just mirrors and intensifies this desire, it doesn't cause it IMO.
Yes. Desire to have matching ideas. It's all validation. Whether it's something that keeps us in sync with the world or something that prevents insanity by saying "hey, someone out there thinks just like you", it's necessary. Humans don't do well when they have no reflection of their own self. We are social animals. We are fundamentally dependent on some mechanic that says we are and can be understood.
For people who work a lot with their own minds, in abstraction - things that are connected but not directly connected to 'reality', meaning, decisions we make have consequences that aren't immediately obvious, I think that's vital, and I think that's why all these message boards and forums and so have the most nuanced kinds of communication among technical people.
It all ties into our own independent stability. Yea, there's issues with group think, people can easily get carried away with a couple variants of reasoning. But that's how communication is supposed to function. I feel like it's so easy to get disconnected from the point of interaction because, we know that the individual we are speaking to directly can be more than one person.
Humans are ridiculous creatures in general. To think it's something the internet invented, that's disconnected.
I don't always understand everything you say - it often has some kind of mysterious ambiguousness in it - but I still like your interaction. Small place here.
It's probably good advice for some aspects of life, you know you best.
I do see that you comment on similar topics. Group think though. Logic, math, computer science, hyper connectivity of the internet. It's like a microcosm analogy-'trend'-flow. Probably gaining understanding independently primarily through imagery and correlating words and meaning.
I think at base with graphs, math pictures. Then math words. Logic forms rigor that reels in insanity, ties oneself back into reality - data recognized as valid by my own existence. Computer science, software as my profession. But I started out being an artist, that's sense of self.
People sometimes behave like birds or schools of fish, even if the words are all jumbled up and connected in strange ways (lots of wikipedia?). Primes behavior for seeing connections in social media. It's like having a body in digital space, that's how I see it, sort of. Leaving footprints all over the place.
As for feedback loops, self reference. Math. Words, I'm guessing we share a connection through other social media, background validation, I'm going to guess wikipedia, but that's just how I see how people establish thinking connections, because that's the difference between it and so much other information on the internet. It's very organized and ordered in terms of relational linking to connect different topics, and it ties back into academia - 'knowledge as categorical imperative' funded research. You can worry about the feedback loops but pretty sure everyone in the system does too. Everyone needs a base to check against.
I could be wrong but guessing is sometimes fun to do. I try to reduce the space I guess in. Makes understanding simple things turn into a hard problem. Cheers
Re:GitHub is down
by twunde on Monday July 16, 2018 @03:12PM
(#17544077)
It definitely depends on the company. There are a few companies that are pretty fast to update including Github. Many are ok like Twilio, Atlassian, and Mailgun (not super-fast but definitely updated pretty consistently). Then it follows a long tail where you have companies like AWS who only update after major outages and usually after an hour. Symantec is probably the worst case where I've seen that they started updating and then forgot to finish updating.
Re:GitHub is down
by jpmoyn on Monday July 16, 2018 @01:44PM
(#17543245)
It would be really easy actually. I just checked, and they add the CSS classes `major`, and `minor` to their updates when there are issues, so it would be easy to find with beautiful soup on like a cron job or something.
Re:GitHub is down
by WorldMaker on Monday July 16, 2018 @04:47PM
(#17544940)
Or maybe some AWS issues indirectly related to Amazon's other Prime Day traffic/infrastructure issues? Maybe this event just has them wondering how soon they can migrate to Azure? ;)
HN needs to add those too. It's embarrassing.
Oof.
Remember that time a few months ago they were down for days?
I started getting errors while pushing, only then I realized that there is some outage
Even the website is not available.`Warning: Permanently added the RSA host key for IP address '192.30.253.113' to the list of known hosts.`
Never seen this message before.
EDIT: It's back up less than a minute after I posted this
Lots of karma to be had there as well.
Same reason why people are addicted to Candy Crush Saga: it's fun. For nihilists, this is pure amusement in the nothingness.
We fall for Karma points because we crave for external validation and want a feeling of belonging because and although we know that we're ultimately alone in our own brain and reduce those pressing feelings of nothingness using approval.
I think even without a point system, people would try to get approval. The desire is already in us. The environment just mirrors and intensifies this desire, it doesn't cause it IMO.
For people who work a lot with their own minds, in abstraction - things that are connected but not directly connected to 'reality', meaning, decisions we make have consequences that aren't immediately obvious, I think that's vital, and I think that's why all these message boards and forums and so have the most nuanced kinds of communication among technical people.
It all ties into our own independent stability. Yea, there's issues with group think, people can easily get carried away with a couple variants of reasoning. But that's how communication is supposed to function. I feel like it's so easy to get disconnected from the point of interaction because, we know that the individual we are speaking to directly can be more than one person.
Humans are ridiculous creatures in general. To think it's something the internet invented, that's disconnected.
You've never answered my life advice - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17492911
I don't always understand everything you say - it often has some kind of mysterious ambiguousness in it - but I still like your interaction. Small place here.
I do see that you comment on similar topics. Group think though. Logic, math, computer science, hyper connectivity of the internet. It's like a microcosm analogy-'trend'-flow. Probably gaining understanding independently primarily through imagery and correlating words and meaning.
I think at base with graphs, math pictures. Then math words. Logic forms rigor that reels in insanity, ties oneself back into reality - data recognized as valid by my own existence. Computer science, software as my profession. But I started out being an artist, that's sense of self.
People sometimes behave like birds or schools of fish, even if the words are all jumbled up and connected in strange ways (lots of wikipedia?). Primes behavior for seeing connections in social media. It's like having a body in digital space, that's how I see it, sort of. Leaving footprints all over the place.
As for feedback loops, self reference. Math. Words, I'm guessing we share a connection through other social media, background validation, I'm going to guess wikipedia, but that's just how I see how people establish thinking connections, because that's the difference between it and so much other information on the internet. It's very organized and ordered in terms of relational linking to connect different topics, and it ties back into academia - 'knowledge as categorical imperative' funded research. You can worry about the feedback loops but pretty sure everyone in the system does too. Everyone needs a base to check against.
I could be wrong but guessing is sometimes fun to do. I try to reduce the space I guess in. Makes understanding simple things turn into a hard problem. Cheers
Seems like the last 2 weeks have been pretty bad for github: https://status.github.com/messages