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Re:Easter Island statues may have 'walked' out of quarry (2012) by skrebbel on Monday July 16, 2018 @03:27AM (#17539399)
This is relevant because Easter Island is often used as an example of how human activity can totally destroy the environment.

I'm no expert so I probably have details wrong, but basically for decades the scientific consensus was that for some mysterious "penis size contest" type of reason, competing tribes of the Rapa Nui kept building more and more moais, and they needed wood to move them because the moais were heavy. So they had to roll them on tree trunks to their preferred location. They cut down all the trees on the island to move the moais, and when the trees were gone the ecology went to shit (no roots to hold the sand together, etc, lots of trouble).

If the moais weren't moved using enormous amounts of trees, then:

    * It's not a given anymore that human activity ruined the ecology.
    * This is a bad analogy for how humans are currently ruining the planet.
In a weird way I find this a motivating result for humanity. If the Easter Island thing wasn't human-caused, then maybe there's hope left for planet Earth.
Re:Easter Island statues may have 'walked' out of quarry (2012) by idoubtit on Monday July 16, 2018 @07:00AM (#17540272)
I think the "scientific consensus" you describe never existed.

I am no specialist myself, but I remember reading a long article about Easter Island, signed by several archaeologists. They were really annoyed by the charismatic people that propagated their romantic views on Easter Island and ignored everything the archaeology proved. IIRC they especially blamed the popular book "Collapses", though others non-historians neither archaeologists, like the Kon-Tiki leader, had propagated other fantasies.

Studies proved the Rapa Nui inhabitants were better fed than inhabitants of other Pacific islands, though the women were below the average and the men above. They had developed technologies that palliated the lack of trees, notably an atypical irrigation system: they scattered black stones in their fields where water condensated at night. There are no remains of wars: no heaps of bodies and no weapons. The moais were not brought down by conflicts, they were laid down delicately when the funeral practices changed. At the same time, the inhabitants stopped producing moais, but it was not abrupt, and no statue was left unfinished because of this. No trace of a collapse until the Europeans arrived.

Re:Easter Island statues may have 'walked' out of quarry (2012) by weeksie on Monday July 16, 2018 @11:03AM (#17541824)
There are TONS of unfinished moai still in the quarry. I've seen plenty of unfinished, half-carved statues there. Many of the broken and restored moai were pulled down and broke at the neck, which would imply that they were not set down gently.

I thought the rise of the birdman cult had something to do with giving up on creating new moai. That would have been a fun contest: annual swim out to a sharp rock where you have to steal a bird egg and bring it back to shore. But the water was shark infested and your fellow competitors would try to stab you to get the sharks riled up.

In any case, Rapa Nui/Easter Island is an amazing place with a fascinating history.

Re:Easter Island statues may have 'walked' out of quarry (2012) by aldoushuxley001 on Monday July 16, 2018 @09:22AM (#17541049)
I've encountered the "scientific consensus" that OP describes while being taught biology at University in Canada.

It certainly seems that part of the issue is that "scientific consensus" is frequently wrongly claimed even though there may be a consensus among many mainstream academics in a network.

Re:Easter Island statues may have 'walked' out of quarry (2012) by skrebbel on Monday July 16, 2018 @12:57PM (#17542819)
> I think the "scientific consensus" you describe never existed.

I appreciate the correction. Thanks.

Re:Easter Island statues may have 'walked' out of quarry (2012) by jcranmer on Monday July 16, 2018 @11:15AM (#17541920)
I don't think there was ever a scientific consensus among people who actually studied Rapa Nui and anthropology that Rapa Nui had an ecological collapse before the arrival of Europeans. (The introduction of Europeans and sheep grazing did contribute to a subsequent ecological collapse, but the indications are that Rapa Nui was considered very fertile when Europeans first arrive).

The loudest proponent of this theory is Jared Diamond, whose credibility among anthropologists is somewhere between non-existent and negative. Given the popularity of his books Guns, Germs, and Steel and Collapse (the latter of which is particularly egregious in cherry-picking evidence and making stuff up to support his hypothesis), I suspect that's where your evidence came from. The centerpieces of ecological self-destruction--Maya, Rapa Nui, and Norse Greenland--are all not supported by the available evidence. (The cause of Mayan collapse is not agreed-upon, but the climate thesis is problematic since the more marginal sites lasted far longer than the less marginal; Rapa Nui, as noted above, didn't collapse in the suggested timeframe; and Norse Greenland died out when it was dropped from trade routes, not when the environment changed).

Re:Easter Island statues may have 'walked' out of quarry (2012) by hammock on Monday July 16, 2018 @10:09AM (#17541338)
There are plenty of other examples of utter human-caused destruction. Iceland is a prominent one. People are in awe at its unique terrain, so much of which is due to Iceland's deforestation which was completed in a matter of only a couple hundred years.
Re:Easter Island statues may have 'walked' out of quarry (2012) by theoh on Monday July 16, 2018 @04:00AM (#17539525)
Re:Easter Island statues may have 'walked' out of quarry (2012) by jgh on Monday July 16, 2018 @06:50AM (#17540227)
Sure but there are numerous other examples where human activity has ruined the ecology...
Re:Easter Island statues may have 'walked' out of quarry (2012) by GuB-42 on Monday July 16, 2018 @09:52AM (#17541229)
There are many many other examples of human activity ruining the ecology.

The particularity of the (most likely false) Easter Island story is that they ruined their own civilization in the process. I can't think of any other example like that. In all other cases I can think of, technological progress managed to offset whatever damage human activity did, and when it didn't, people simply moved away.