Re:Solar Just Hit a Record Low Price in the U.S
by CompelTechnic on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @03:31PM
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One weird thought I had the other day: high voltage DC transmission lines are getting more popular. I wonder if it would be economical for a high voltage DC line to form a loop around the entire planet, so that the load can follow the sun through a complete cycle.
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Re:Solar Just Hit a Record Low Price in the U.S
by rsynnott on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @03:37PM
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This has terrifying geopolitical implications, so probably no-one will want to depend on it anytime soon.
Re:Solar Just Hit a Record Low Price in the U.S
by matt4077 on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @04:25PM
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It's no different than data links, which have mostly worked without political interference.
Re:Solar Just Hit a Record Low Price in the U.S
by sokoloff on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @05:54PM
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In general, your data does not have value to me to steal it. Not so with power.
Re:Solar Just Hit a Record Low Price in the U.S
by Kliment on Thursday July 12, 2018 @02:11AM
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Data has plenty of value, and is often copied without authorization, but putting that aside, nobody would be stealing anyone's power. It gets produced in one region, used locally, and excess sold to the next region, where the same thing repeats. You already paid for the power entering your region so you can't steal it and you'll sell it on if it makes sense to do so. This is already how gas pipelines work for example. It's shit with gas because the flow is one way and shutting off the gas is often done for political reasons but with solar you'd have your own production ramping up a few hours later if the neighboring region either shuts it off or uses a higher percentage of what they produced. Either way the metering happens at regional boundaries so there's no stealing involved - both sides of the meter need to be in agreement before any power flows.
Re:Solar Just Hit a Record Low Price in the U.S
by sokoloff on Thursday July 12, 2018 @07:50AM
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> Either way the metering happens at regional boundaries so there's no stealing involved - both sides of the meter need to be in agreement before any power flows.
Play that out a bit. Suppose you have a 500MW or 1000MW transmission line. It normally has a 1% loss. Today, you notice that it has 1.25% loss. Maybe someone's stealing power. What do you do? Shut off the transmission line entirely?
Re:Solar Just Hit a Record Low Price in the U.S
by Kliment on Thursday July 12, 2018 @06:04PM
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At the demarcation points is where power is measured. If you have losses you can tell which side they are on, and then that side can decide whether they are worth investigating or not.
Re:Solar Just Hit a Record Low Price in the U.S
by ikiris on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @07:24PM
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They really haven't.
Re:Solar Just Hit a Record Low Price in the U.S
by steve_musk on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @05:04PM
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If only a different species had reached our level of intelligence first... This would be a cool solution.
Re:Solar Just Hit a Record Low Price in the U.S
by greenburger on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @05:11PM
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In the US alone this would greatly aid a transition to wind and solar:
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/01/better-power-lines-wo...
Re:Solar Just Hit a Record Low Price in the U.S
by KVFinn on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @09:03PM
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>In the US alone this would greatly aid a transition to wind and solar:
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/01/better-power-lines-wo...
For all the talk about inventing new batteries, I wish improving the existing grid would be more prominent in the conversation. High-voltage longer-distance power markets are something that can be built right now.
Re:Solar Just Hit a Record Low Price in the U.S
by chadcmulligan on Thursday July 12, 2018 @12:05AM
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China has suggested this https://futurism.com/building-big-forget-great-wall-china-wa...
Re:Solar Just Hit a Record Low Price in the U.S
by Aloha on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @04:32PM
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Loss is still an issue
Re:Solar Just Hit a Record Low Price in the U.S
by ben_w on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @07:29PM
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If the loss is less than about 75% in the worst case (i.e. 100 watts of generated electricity supplying 25 watts to the consumer), the benefits of optimal panel location combined with the lower cost of solar makes it better than or equivalent to current baseload power supplies like nuclear.