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Re:Shutting Down the BGP Hijack Factory by zokier on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @04:11PM (#17501655)
Well its nice that they are now shut down, although the process seems to been fairly slow and arduous. They were already identified as misbehaving in 2014, getting kicked out from deixp in 2017, and only now disconnected by transits. And even in the latest episode they could play this game of cat and mouse for a (short) while. And what if Guilmette wouldn't had noticed this, or bothered to rant on nanog, would that happened at all?

I'm not sure what to do improve the situation, but there definitely seems like a need for improvement.

Re:Shutting Down the BGP Hijack Factory by viridian on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @06:04PM (#17502614)
The lessons learned section of the article hints at orgs being way too permissive or unresponsive when bad behavior occurs. The thing is though, this isn't a world where that kind of softness and leniency makes any sort of sense.
Re:Shutting Down the BGP Hijack Factory by dsr_ on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @06:18PM (#17502705)
It makes sense from a not-wanting-to-get-sued-for-breach-of-contract standpoint.

The contract at IXPs almost universally includes a phrase like "will not engage in fraudulent announcement of routes", but proving that happened to the satisfaction of a non-profit's board of directors is difficult. You really have to have completely collinear anatidae.

Re:Shutting Down the BGP Hijack Factory by an_account_name on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:50PM (#17503832)
> collinear anatidae

I'm stealing this phrase, please and thank you.

Re:Shutting Down the BGP Hijack Factory by 9ac345a5509a on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:23PM (#17503972)
Why? It sounds incredibly pretentious. I think most people would appreciate Plain English [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_English

Re:Shutting Down the BGP Hijack Factory by mehrdadn on Thursday July 12, 2018 @05:46AM (#17513238)
>>> collinear anatidae

> sounds incredibly pretentious. I think most people would appreciate Plain English [0].

I can't speak for most people, but I didn't know what it meant, learned it after reading it, and found it quite appropriately funny and witty. I also learned a new word. There was nothing I found pretentious about it.

I think a helpful and reasonably objective criterion in deciding this might be whether the use of the phrase was (1) necessary to send the correct message, (2) required to understand the received message, and (3) liable to send an incorrect message. If #1 = no and #2 = yes, or if #3 = yes, then you should probably avoid using it. In this case it's #1 = no and #2 = no and #3 = no, so it's fine.

Re:Shutting Down the BGP Hijack Factory by Arnt on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @02:39AM (#17504892)
Because it's a lovely application of rhyming slang.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhyming_slang

Re:Shutting Down the BGP Hijack Factory by zokier on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @02:25PM (#17509089)
How exactly is it rhyming with anything?
Re:Shutting Down the BGP Hijack Factory by mnx on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @06:24AM (#17505776)
Could you explain what it means? I read about rhyming slang, but can't figure this out
Re:Shutting Down the BGP Hijack Factory by treerock on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @07:14AM (#17506013)
I'm guessing another way of saying "ducks in a row"?

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/have+ducks+in+a+row

Re:Shutting Down the BGP Hijack Factory by mnx on Thursday July 12, 2018 @04:57AM (#17513102)
Thanks.
Re:Shutting Down the BGP Hijack Factory by dsr_ on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @07:14AM (#17506014)
Ducks in a row.