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Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by bitcharmer on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:42AM (#17497495)
I was so glad to learn about it. This was such an unlikely rescue mission and amazingly heroic effort from everyone involved. If I was religious I'd say this was a miracle. Just very happy every one is ok.
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by sametmax on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:46AM (#17497527)
The amazing part to me is that it was 12 kids and one adult. Between the fear and the biological needs, I wonder what kept them alive for so long.

First, the first time I fasted I was quited stressed about it, and it was in controlled, cozy environment.

Second, they didn't know if anybody would come. Not even if somebody could come. For 9 days without eating and living in their own shit in the dark, they wondered.

I'm awaiting for the unavoidable book/movie, hoping they don't try to make it epic and get into real details about this.

Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by koolba on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:48AM (#17497544)
I bet literally being a team helped out. It's not just a random group of people. They all know each other, they know each other's personalities, and there's a natural cohesion to win (i.e. not die!) together.
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by sametmax on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:51AM (#17497561)
Possibly, especially since they were with a coach. He if kept it up, then it could have helped a lot.
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by sillysaurus3 on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:03AM (#17497658)
The coach.

He shared what little rations they had, and his condition was visibly worse than the children by the time they were found.

He also helped them by teaching them meditation, so as not to focus on their hunger.

Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by sametmax on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:12AM (#17497717)
> He also helped them by teaching them meditation, so as not to focus on their hunger.

Learning meditation is hard. Learning meditation when you are scared, hungry and in such a bad situation is extra hard.

So if the guy pulled it off with 12 terrorized famished kids for 9 days, he deserves his own temple.

Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by bad_user on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:30AM (#17497860)
People in general are able of amazing deeds under the threat of death.

Unfortunately it's why we are able to wage war. Was watching a documentary on the Vietnam war the other day and one guy was describing how he felt like an automaton that was focusing only on survival, which kept him from going insane, while another guy was describing how he felt no pain from his bullet injuries while trying to stay alive alone in the jungle for 3 days, only feeling pain after he was rescued.

But yeah, this coach is a hero for sure, I'm so glad they made it out.

Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by jvzr on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:40AM (#17497945)
The Vietnam War, by Ken Burns?

Watched that episode with the South Vietnam veteran recalling that episode where he was left for dead (literally, by his own allies AND adversaries), crawled through the jungle for 3 days and only then felt the pain and smelled the nasty odor of the rotting flesh.

Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by vinceguidry on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:36AM (#17497914)
Not to belittle his accomplishment, but it's the times of great hardship where the search for meaning flourishes. See Viktor Frankl. It is the gift hidden in the horror.
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by astura on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:25AM (#17498358)
Well, he was a former monk.
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by ictoan on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @11:14AM (#17498790)
He was sent to a monastery when he was 12 and stayed for 10 years.
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by fatmotherpucker on Thursday July 12, 2018 @01:42AM (#17512435)
The coach is the key. His parents passed away when he was young and he was brought up by his grandmother. He was a monk for about 10 years. He taught them how to meditate constantly even during training when the kids couldn't control their temper. This crisis puts the kids into the test, proved the power of meditation and team spirit.
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by docker_up on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:49AM (#17498553)
Let's not forget that the coach was the one who led them into the caves in the first place.
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by delroth on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @11:04AM (#17498688)
Hindsight is 20/20. I guess nobody should ever do anything because it always has a tiny chance to go wrong?

The coach probably didn't even take a wrong decision based on the information available at the time (it isn't rain season yet).

Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by sametmax on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @11:33AM (#17498966)
Err, no.

If you plan to enter deep into a huge cave, you check the weather forecast. Rainy season or not. And you don't enter if you see a chance of rain.

He failed on this one, and a man is dead because of it.

Now I'm don't think he should be blamed for it. It would be very unproductive.

But we certainly should make it a cautionary tale.

Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by ryanmercer on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:49AM (#17497549)
>I'm awaiting for the unavoidable book/movie.

Hollywood producers are already on the ground http://www.newsweek.com/hollywood-producers-head-thai-cave-r...

Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by bprieto on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:06AM (#17498187)
The coach then will be an american living in Thailand, half the team will be girls, the sport will be american football instead of soccer, one of the rescuers will be a woman who happens to be an ex-girlfriend of the coach, there will be a bad guy from the government or some company that wants to leave them in the cave because it's cheaper... and Elon Musk's device will save the day.
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by sangnoir on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @01:20PM (#17500185)
> there will be a bad guy from the government

Elon Musk is ahead of you - he has his government villain already: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016684366083190785/phot...

Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by vinkelhake on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @11:37AM (#17498996)
The rumor is that The Rock is going to play the coach. Kevin Hart will play all 12 boys.
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by ryanmercer on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @12:24PM (#17499525)
>The rumor is that The Rock is going to play the coach. Kevin Hart will play all 12 boys.

I would actually pay to see this.

Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by arkitaip on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @11:10AM (#17498742)
...And it's already made 400M.
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by Reedx on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @11:59AM (#17499252)
Ha, you nailed it. I hate how plausible this is.
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by meowzero on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:38AM (#17497931)
It'll probably take place somewhere in the US and white wash it with white actors. Maybe they'll make one of the kids (a girl) Asian to give a little nod to the original story.
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by pepy on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:13AM (#17498245)
and that girl will be helping hand - because when she grows up, she wants to be a doctor
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by senorjazz on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:39AM (#17497939)
When contact was first made, they had no idea how long they had been in there and asked "how long have we been here".

Sat in the dark, with no night and day, the bodies internal clock gets shot to pieces. They would have had no idea whether they had been there 3 days or 30

Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by sametmax on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:18AM (#17498293)
Not being able to quantify doesn't mean you don't sufer from it.
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by rusk on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:59AM (#17497632)
> For 9 days without eating and living in their own shit in the dark

Not to mention the cold.

There's a hero-story about the coach that's yet to be told I reckon.

Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by SimbaOnSteroids on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:14AM (#17497733)
Caves are generally the average yearly temperature of the area they are found in, also given that the water was rainwater and not spring water I’d imagine that unless the boys were like waste deep in water the entire time they were probably rather warm given the tropical location of Thailand.
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by _Microft on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:09AM (#17497697)
Somewhere it was mentioned that the temperature in the cave was about 23°C (73°F).
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by rusk on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:13AM (#17497729)
Oh wow. I wouldn't have expected that deep underground in a flooded cave at all!
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by booleandilemma on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:31AM (#17498409)
A story Mark Wahlberg will be happy to tell.
Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by jcranmer on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:59AM (#17498639)
> The amazing part to me is that it was 12 kids and one adult. Between the fear and the biological needs, I wonder what kept them alive for so long.

You can go a few weeks without food. The cave is likely at a consistent enough temperature that you're not going to freeze to death (sweating is more likely to be your real issue), so the only real constraint is potable water.

It's also been commented that the children had no idea they were trapped for as long as 9 days. Quite likely, without any source of natural light, they lost track of time, which certainly would help ease some of the panic.

Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by cubano on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:40AM (#17497948)
People can live over 60 days without food, so maybe that part isn't so unexpected.

Water of course is a different story..I believe after 48 hours severe dehydration sets in...after 3 days...kaput.

Re:Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully ... by sametmax on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:02AM (#17498149)
> People can live over 60 days without food, so maybe that part isn't so unexpected

It's not a physiological problem. It's a psychological one. When you ate everyday all your life, not eating is scary.

> I believe after 48 hours severe dehydration sets in...after 3 days...kaput.

You can live more than 3 days without water. Either with training, of because the conditions help (you don't move much, temperature and humidity are favorable, you don't eat, etc).

There are cases were human lived for 9 days without water.

But they had water near them so that was out of the equation.