They already have that stuff (drysuits). Thailand is not a poor country and they do a lot of diving. You are talking about a situation you don't understand while accusing musk (who actually talked to people on the ground) of not understanding. Musk builds things, that's why he was asked to help and that's why he built a thing.

I’m going to have to respectfully disagree. I can’t read the guy’s mind, but my instincts point towards publicity stunt. I doubt arguing further is going to change anyone’s opinion.

Tbh I think it's more like a displacement activity, albeit a worthy one. I am surprised that he visited in person.

> I can’t read the guy’s mind

Yet you write as if you could.

And so do you, but with the opposite assumptions. Is this going anywhere?

What have I claimed about Musk's intentions or actions? I'm not the one who criticized him, but I have not lauded him for it either. I don't know what's going on at the rescue site nor am I claiming that I know. I'm just seeing Musk trying to help and people claiming (without any evidence) that he has some hidden agenda. Of course he could have a hidden agenda (again I don't know), but I'm not making a claim in either direction, just calling bullshit on people who think they know.

From your comments elsewhere in this discussion, your motivation seems pretty clearly to be to defend Elon Musk by inventing the spectre of things he might have done, but very likely did not. And at the same time pretending to be impartial about it.

Nah, I'm simply tired of people trashing someone without a reason.

The things he might have done are just examples; there's loads of different scenarios that might be true and we don't know really much about it. I'm not speculating, that's what all the shit talkers in this thread are doing. I'm reserving judgment instead of latching onto a forced narrative created by the media outlets with just a few tiny pieces of information that has leaked out of the rescue effort.

Yeah, and while you are doing that you are pulling stuff out of thin air, like the fact that he was asked to help – by some unknown stranger on Twitter. Surely doesn't look like that neutral stance that you are claiming to take.

> Yeah, and while you are doing that you are pulling stuff out of thin air, like the fact that he was asked to help – by some unknown stranger on Twitter

But he was...? https://twitter.com/MabzMagz/status/1014251869760249856

What's your problem?

Do you want to prove my point? Well done.

You said I pulled it out of thin air. I didn't. What the hell...?

What about high end rebreathers? The top of the line ones can sustain their oxygen cycle for six hours it seems that the divers are using oxygen canisters and there has already been one death due to a diver running out of oxygen.

Rebreathers are frail and bulky, and not good for cave diving (one of the divers involved had a special front-mounted rebreather to work around this). A lot fewer divers are trained to use rebreathers, too.

Cylinders are hardy and portable, and can be carried with one hand through narrow openings. They can be attached to lines, and stored along a prepared route for other divers to use during a single descent.

I remember they said at some point that the children could not be rescued with diving equipment because it's dark, they are not experienced divers and they might panic under water. Maybe his solution to build a submarine instead comes from there?

Where did you get the idea they were short on money or rescue equipment and/or Elon Musk hasn't rented or bought them rescue gear?

There’s no evidence for anything other than the submarine, and he really isn’t shy about announcing these things.

The lack of evidence or tweets doesn't mean that Musk didn't help them in other ways.

You’ll forgive me for not relying on faith.

I am not asking you to rely on faith, I'm simply asking you to drop your faith on "knowing" what goes on at the site and in Musk's mind and admit that you simply don't know.