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Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by shams93 on Friday July 06, 2018 @02:46PM (#17474097)
Goes to show that Obama did much better than he was often given credit for. While Obamacare fell fall short of the medicare for all that is needed by business - imagine not having to worry about covering healthcare for employees for your startup - his overall job of captaining the ship through incredibly hard times was very successful.
Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by rufusroflpunch on Friday July 06, 2018 @03:51PM (#17474573)
This isn't about the President, at least not directly. Obama doesn't deserve credit any more than Bush Jr. deserved credit for navigating us through the .com bust. Since days of Alan Greenspan, the Fed has been inflating us out of recessions, into longer and more unsustainable booms, which are naturally followed by even worse busts. Our economy is like an over-correcting tightrope walker in slow motion. It's teetering back and forth further every time and you know at some point this whole thing is coming down, it's just a matter of when.

To use a different metaphor, the Fed and the Presidents are playing a game of musical chairs with their successors and no one wants to be the one standing when the music stops.

Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by neffy on Friday July 06, 2018 @04:13PM (#17474741)
That's not actually the case. If you look at the money supply for the US it has a pretty constant growth rate over the last 8 decades - while the Federal Reserve claims to be messing around with the interest rate to control the economy, the actual evidence that this is the case is quite lacking. (Illusion of Control problem)

So yes, it's not about the President, but the nature of control over the financial system is not through the interest rate channel either.

Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by codexon on Friday July 06, 2018 @09:29PM (#17476333)
"If you look at the money supply for the US it has a pretty constant growth rate over the last 8 decades"

I'm not sure how you can come to that conclusion given it is common knowledge and fairly obvious that the Fed has been inflating the economy at absurd amounts to get us out of the 2008 crash.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BASE

Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by jacksproit on Friday July 06, 2018 @04:05PM (#17474688)
Are the busts worse by % or just by $ amount?
Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by canada_dry on Friday July 06, 2018 @03:34PM (#17474439)
This.

Sadly, it's highly likely that the current administration will - of course take credit - but more importantly - reap all the rewards (i.e. votes) in the next federal election.

I still am amazed at how Obama pulled the US from the brink of utter financial collapse shortly after taking office. Hopefully the next incoming administration will be as lucky.

Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by jazzyk on Friday July 06, 2018 @04:00PM (#17474640)
He did not pull us out of anything - just delayed the inevitable and prolonged the mis-mangement of the monetary policy by the Fed (with cooperation coming from other central banks).

The public debt almost doubled from 11T to 20T during his presidency). He also created moral hazard by not only NOT prosecuting people who he himself called "fat cats of Wall Street", but actually continuing to bail them out (started by W. Bush)

Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by ww520 on Friday July 06, 2018 @05:17PM (#17475198)
The financial rescue and QE happened in 2008 while Bush Jr. was in office.
Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by pedasmith on Friday July 06, 2018 @05:42PM (#17475364)
You might remember that Bush agreed to making a brand-new "Office of the President-Elect" just so that there could be a single plan of action.
Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by skookumchuck on Friday July 06, 2018 @04:16PM (#17474764)
If the market goes up under Trump, Obama gets the credit. If the market goes down under Trump, Trump gets the blame.
Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by null000 on Saturday July 07, 2018 @02:27PM (#17479749)
More like, if the market continues the upward trajectory it had under Obama, he gets the credit for establishing that trend. If Trump does something stupid to upset that trend (ill advised tax cuts or tariffs, for instance) he gets the blame. He'd get the credit if he meaningfully accelerated the growth we saw under Obama, but outside of a short bump after the tax cuts that saw a predictable correction shortly thereafter, he hasnt.

It's worth noting I do blame Obama era policies for wage and working condition stagnation/deterioration, which is the thing I actually care about (gdp and unemployment numbers are basically pointless if people who have jobs are living in third world conditions). That said, I have zero hope that the current administrations policies will reverse that trend in any way.

Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by skookumchuck on Saturday July 07, 2018 @04:06PM (#17480267)
The market went flat the year after Obama's big tax increase.

The market started rising promptly after Trump's election, presumably in anticipation of the coming tax cut.

Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by claydavisss on Friday July 06, 2018 @04:30PM (#17474867)
The President of the United States does not plan the economy.
Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by vvanders on Friday July 06, 2018 @05:30PM (#17475287)
They certainly set directions and champion initiatives.

Also, impose tariffs as we're seeing with the last 24 hours.

Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by asfasgasg on Friday July 06, 2018 @08:06PM (#17476038)
They can't make it, but there is some historical evidence that they (or, more broadly, the USG) can ruin it.
Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by orangecat on Saturday July 07, 2018 @12:05AM (#17476925)
While Obamacare fell fall short of the medicare for all that is needed by business - imagine not having to worry about covering healthcare for employees for your startup

Businesses don't have to worry about being the primary source of food or housing for their employees either, and somehow this is true without the government taking over agriculture and real estate.