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Re:A Double First in China for Advanced Nuclear Reactors by mikeyouse on Thursday July 05, 2018 @04:58PM (#17466789)
They do -- And then they come in at 2x time/cost of the doubled estimate.

The initial estimate for the Vogtle expansion in Georgia was $11.5 billion total with first power coming in 2016 and 2017 for the two reactors. The cost was repeatedly revised upwards with the latest estimate at $27 billion and they aren't expecting power before 2022. The entire project might still be cancelled and rate payers will just lose ten billion+ dollars.

Can you imagine a project that is over 100% over budget in time and money when the scale is billions of dollars and a decade?

Anyone with the background should try and pencil out a financial forecast to make money off tying up tens of billions of dollars for 15 years before you see a penny of revenue.

Re:A Double First in China for Advanced Nuclear Reactors by hospes on Thursday July 05, 2018 @05:41PM (#17467084)
Meanwhile in 8 months in India they have built 648 MW solar plant that costs $679 million [1].

[1] https://youtu.be/gM-0lrIxCnE

Re:A Double First in China for Advanced Nuclear Reactors by adventured on Thursday July 05, 2018 @09:49PM (#17468342)
11 of the 12 most polluted cities on earth are in India. They need to build a lot faster given coal is still 3/4 of their energy generation. The US is a laggard on solar as a percentage of energy generation, and even the US has a larger share of its energy derived from solar than India does.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-43972155

Re:A Double First in China for Advanced Nuclear Reactors by Reason077 on Friday July 06, 2018 @07:09AM (#17470456)
India's air pollution problem is only partially due to power plants. Much of it comes from things like cooking fires, agricultural burning, and combustion vehicles. Closing down coal would be a step forward, but wouldn't solve the problem alone.
Re:A Double First in China for Advanced Nuclear Reactors by DoctorOetker on Thursday July 05, 2018 @10:09PM (#17468395)
Pretty much off topic by me but:

Do you know what is the total surface area of currently installed solar panels by SolarCity?

Alternatively the largest total area solar panels operated by a single entity?

(it's for an astronomy idea I have)

Re:A Double First in China for Advanced Nuclear Reactors by growlist on Thursday July 05, 2018 @06:12PM (#17467305)
Why don't they build sites with many small productised nuclear sub propulsion type reactors, as opposed to a single monstrous and pretty much bespoke reactor? I'm sure there's a good reason but on the surface it seems like commodity reactors would be a far cheaper approach in the end.
Re:A Double First in China for Advanced Nuclear Reactors by yourapostasy on Thursday July 05, 2018 @10:18PM (#17468419)
> ...commodity reactors would be a far cheaper approach in the end.

I've read claims that in the US, unfortunately there are no commodity reactors, with commensurately commodity costs in licensing, environmental and regulatory approvals. Each reactor is effectively a one-off effort, with a minority of transferable capital equipment, skills, etc. I've also read that France's reactors are far more uniform, and they reap many benefits from it.

I wish more research and engineering could be justified into ultra-small reactors like described in this Quora response [1]. Not really sure what he meant by a magneto-hydrodynamic power conversion because I didn't picture a conductive fluid involved from his description, but I wonder if the reaction can be scaled down even smaller than the proposed 100 GJ burst (I somehow suspect battery chemistries don't take kindly to those scales of bursts).

[1] https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-micro-nuclear-reactor-that-...

Re:A Double First in China for Advanced Nuclear Reactors by greglindahl on Thursday July 05, 2018 @11:55PM (#17468725)
The whole point of the new generation of both Westinghouse and EDF reactors is that each would be a commodity. And both are stumbling at the start.
Re:A Double First in China for Advanced Nuclear Reactors by brandmeyer on Friday July 06, 2018 @02:06AM (#17469289)
Because there are natural economies of scale in building larger nuclear reactors. Submarine propulsion reactors are several times more expensive than commercial reactors on a per-unit-power basis, even after accounting for the overruns.
Re:A Double First in China for Advanced Nuclear Reactors by Reason077 on Friday July 06, 2018 @06:53AM (#17470381)
The large size of nuclear reactors is often one of the factors blamed for their high cost.

Small Modular Reactors (SMRs), which could be manufactured in factories rather than in bespoke, on-site builds, are regarded as a technology that could bring down the cost of nuclear builds in future.

I suspect submarine reactors are expensive because of their unique design constraints, relatively small production runs, and the fact that they are contracted/built on military budgets rather than in competitive commercial environments.

Re:A Double First in China for Advanced Nuclear Reactors by growlist on Friday July 06, 2018 @05:43AM (#17470122)
I was being lazy in my post I suppose: work on this idea is well underway. Whether it proves successful or not still seems unclear:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_modular_reactor

Re:A Double First in China for Advanced Nuclear Reactors by brandmeyer on Saturday July 07, 2018 @10:40PM (#17481882)
The wikipedia article doesn't do a good job of selling it.

Lets take a statement like this: "Nuclear reactor fuel can be low-enriched uranium, with a concentration of less than 20% of fissile 235 U. This low quantity, non-weapons-grade uranium makes the fuel less desirable for weapons production."

20% enrichment is far higher than what is typically used in commercial power reactors. Because of the exponential behavior of uranium enrichment, 20% is almost all the way up to weapon's-grade material. Its part of why Iran's stockpile of 20-40% material was so concerning - they could have very quickly converted that into bombs.

If you have the technology to crank out 20% U-235 in quantity, then you also have the technology to make weapons in quantity.

Here's another concerning statement, "Many SMRs are fast reactors..." Fast reactors are inherently capable of being used for mass-production of plutonium. Plutonium production from fast breeder reactors is far less expensive than uranium enrichment, and an even higher proliferation risk.

Honestly, I think that the only reason small modular reactors have some traction because they appear to require less capital investment than full-scale reactors, thus drawing VC slush money.

Re:A Double First in China for Advanced Nuclear Reactors by maxxxxx on Thursday July 05, 2018 @06:10PM (#17467284)
This makes fusion look almost cheap :-)
Re:A Double First in China for Advanced Nuclear Reactors by mikhailfranco on Friday July 06, 2018 @05:48AM (#17470136)
And look almost quick to market ... in 50 years (as they always say).