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Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by pnathan on Thursday July 05, 2018 @12:52PM (#17464791)
> China has its money where the action is.

This has been absurdly obvious for about 3-5 years now. The knowledge of actual hardware creation & manufacturing has largely migrated to China (hello outsourcing). Costs of living in reasonably stable environments (required for broad innovation) in the US is absurdly high. Government support and funding for innovation - which is required for high value research - has been gutted since the Cold War. These things have a long-term effect.

All of the above are USA policies driven by politics. They can all be 100% fixed with political muscle and will. Much like our infrastructure. We can fix it: we choose not to.

China's government is not stupid; they can watch the US hamstring itself via libertarian policies and work to avoid such approaches. I don't like their approach to human rights, but they are working very hard to fund innovation and infrastructure.

Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by space_fountain on Thursday July 05, 2018 @12:58PM (#17464835)
What do you mean by reasonably stable. Suburban Ohio is literally an order of magnitude cheaper than say San Francisco and Cleveland isn't that much more expensive or for that matter unstable.
Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by pnathan on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:17PM (#17464988)
Stable not the best word, apologies. Life stability was in my mind.

- stable health insurance and medical coverage.

- economy big & stable enough that when one job is lost, another can be found without substantial financial injury.

- geographically dense and large network of innovative people (this requires a good university - or two).

Essentially you need a place where you can take risks and fail without causing a total life crisis. that is why SV started as a thing: fruit farms with cheap land. Universities were nearby and the Cold War was in full force: a lot of funding was present. The interaction of knowledgeable people is a huge support base for increased research and innovation.

Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by aphextron on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:03PM (#17464869)
>Suburban Ohio is literally an order of magnitude cheaper than say San Francisco and Cleveland isn't that much more expensive or for that matter unstable.

Do you know what else is within 300 miles of Cleveland Ohio?

Absolutely nothing.

Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by grandmczeb on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:10PM (#17464932)
> Do you know what else is within 300 miles of Cleveland Ohio?

~50 million people live within 300 miles of Cleveland vs about ~16 million within 300 miles of SF.

https://www.freemaptools.com/find-population.htm

Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by aphextron on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:46PM (#17465235)
A circular radius of Cleveland is meaningless because half the circle is in Canada. A large portion of that population would be metro Toronto. On top of that the absolute numbers don't matter at all; it's about density.
Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by ghostbrainalpha on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:09PM (#17464925)
New York City, Philidephia, Baltimore, Washington DC, Detroit, Cincinnati, Toronto, Indianapolis, Chicago.....

All of these are about 400 miles away, some less than 300.

And did you edit your comment, because I think it originally said 500 miles.

Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by giffarage on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:11PM (#17464946)
This is wrong and condescending.
Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by aphextron on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:19PM (#17465019)
Is it? Why?

I grew up in Akron, the former Rubber Capital of the World. There is literally nothing in Northeast Ohio but cornfields, soybeans, brutal winters, and rusting artifacts of the 20th century economy. Columbus could be a good choice for growing tech firms to add a second HQ due to OSU being a pretty decent school, but Cleveland really has nothing going for it. The geographical advantages that led to it's existence and growth during the industrial revolution have gone and will never return.

Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by space_fountain on Friday July 06, 2018 @12:25AM (#17468815)
When did you move? I'm not going to argue that NE Ohio is the best place to live in the country or something, I was speaking very particularly about the region I was familiar with because it sounded like there were very broad statement being made.

You are still speaking a bit too strongly though. There is plenty of things in NEO. For starts world class museums and cultural institutions (having been rich in the past helps).I'm living in San Francisco right now, but I could definitely see myself going back someday

Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by giffarage on Thursday July 05, 2018 @04:21PM (#17466478)
As pointed out in other comments, there are multiple large cities within a 300 mile radius. Even if there weren't, saying there is "nothing" there dismisses the real lives and businesses that are there.
Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by seanmcdirmid on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:20PM (#17465034)
South eastern Ohio has some nice nature. And even Toledo isn’t that bad.
Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by sremani on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:13PM (#17464957)
Actually Columbus OH (2 hours from Cleveland) is considered the sweet-spot city, a third of US population lives less than 500 miles away from Columbus, OH.
Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by seanmcdirmid on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:18PM (#17464998)
Clean air?
Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by aphextron on Thursday July 05, 2018 @10:53PM (#17468519)
Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by seanmcdirmid on Thursday July 05, 2018 @11:31PM (#17468652)
Hint: America red is not the same as Chinese red. See:

http://aqicn.org/map/northamerica/

And compare to:

http://aqicn.org/map/china/

Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by AnthonyMouse on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:20PM (#17465028)
> they can watch the US hamstring itself via libertarian policies

The size of the US federal budget has only gone in one direction regardless of which party was in power, and it hasn't been to get smaller. And they keep passing anti-startup garbage like FOSTA or the incredible bureaucracy that de facto prohibits small businesses from participating in the finance or medical industries. These are not libertarian policies.

The problem is they're spending trillions on unnecessary wars and buying the elderly vote with outrageously expensive program expansions, and then there is nothing left -- less than nothing, since it's all debt-financed -- to fund the actually-beneficial (and much less expensive) programs that you're asking for.

Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by s73v3r_ on Thursday July 05, 2018 @02:27PM (#17465573)
"or the incredible bureaucracy that de facto prohibits small businesses from participating in the finance or medical industries. "

This is a good thing. These areas are not places where you want to "move fast and break things."

Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by AnthonyMouse on Thursday July 05, 2018 @02:47PM (#17465744)
> This is a good thing. These areas are not places where you want to "move fast and break things."

Nobody wants anybody to "move fast and break things":

https://xkcd.com/1428/

That was the motto of one jerk who nobody likes, who incidentally runs a multi-billion dollar company and not a small business, whose company has since disavowed it, and is in general not how small businesses actually operate.

You don't want doctors to "move fast and break things" but you also don't want them to spend 95% of their time filling out paperwork so that medicine becomes so expensive that people go untreated because they can't afford it, or it bankrupts the government.

You don't want Nazi experiments but you do want a cure for cancer. There is a trade off here. If you choose wrong people die, no matter which wrong you choose. Which is why the correct solution has more to do with informed consent and less to do with massive regulatory burdens that exclude small entities, increase costs and deter participation.

Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by spamizbad on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:47PM (#17465238)
> These are not libertarian policies.

The Iraq war had significant buy-in from (some now mainstream) libertarian writers and thinkers. For example, Megan McArdle, under the name "Jane Galt", wrote feverishly in favor of the war on terror and mocked those who opposed it. The libertarian argument was that by toppling dictatorships and theocracies, these "liberated" middle-eastern democracies would all have liberalized economies.

I don't want to single out libertarians here though, I just want to point out interventionist policies have widespread support in the United States across the political spectrum (after all "even the liberal New Republic" supported it) and I don't see that trend reversing any time soon.

Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by AnthonyMouse on Thursday July 05, 2018 @03:04PM (#17465871)
> The Iraq war had significant buy-in from (some now mainstream) libertarian writers and thinkers.

Identifying someone who claims to support an idea and then makes an argument inconsistent with that idea is a valid criticism of the person and their bad argument, not of the original idea.

> I don't want to single out libertarians here though, I just want to point out interventionist policies have widespread support in the United States across the political spectrum (after all "even the liberal New Republic" supported it)

Sure, right after 9/11 when everybody was angry. Angry makes for irrational. Maybe it's time to revisit a lot of that stuff and roll it back.

> and I don't see that trend reversing any time soon.

The public is made up of people. Things change when somebody changes them.

Re:China VC has overtaken Silicon Valley, but do aggregates ... by SmellTheGlove on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:38PM (#17465176)
> The size of the US federal budget has only gone in one direction regardless of which party was in power, and it hasn't been to get smaller. And they keep passing anti-startup garbage like FOSTA or the incredible bureaucracy that de facto prohibits small businesses from participating in the finance or medical industries. These are not libertarian policies.

Yup, all correct. I say this with the slight bias of a dual national, but if you want a glimpse into the future that current US policy gets you, look at Italy. And then keep in mind that Italy still provides education and healthcare.

EDIT: Not sure why I'm getting downvoted. I didn't make this comment to be inflammatory, moreso to point out that our policy promotes wealth concentration and erodes middle class opportunities. I'm not suggesting that libertarian policies are a solution, nor that the US has adopted them. Just saying that the Italian regulatory environment favors incumbents and that my take is that we're headed in that direction as well via corporate capture. Italy's not a disaster - it's still the 9th largest economy in the world - but it certainly doesn't live up to its potential following its post-war boom.