Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by kerng on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @12:50AM (#17455342)

I think this is not uncommon, even nowadays. Noone likes to admit it because being politically correct and stuff. Even at company parties at big corporations, some Sales and Marketing folks tend go a bit overboard - and employees hooking up with each isn't unusual during such festivities either.

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by lixtra on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @01:31AM (#17455432)

> employees hooking up with each isn't unusual Of course they do. Employees are not slaves. They are free to bond as they like.

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by mboto on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @08:04AM (#17456749)

Isn't this a cultural difference in the US that's different from Europe, in that colleagues don't get involved?

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by cm2187 on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @08:16AM (#17456795)

The problem is that in the current #metoo environment, that would be taking a massive legal risk. Sweden recently passed a legislation that requires a proof of consent, or otherwise treats any sexual relationship as rape by default...

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by Letmesleep69 on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @11:49AM (#17457854)

I have seen this a few times here on HN and it's just totally incorrect. The new law still places the burden of proving that consent was not given on the victim. Some papers reported it incorrectly but have published corrections.

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by cm2187 on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @12:56PM (#17458235)

First result on google: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/consent-law-r...

I don't have a view on whether this reflects the Swedish law correctly but if it does, I don't believe that changes anything nor that I am incorrect. Unless the other party established explicit, provable consent (he says-she says won't help in court), we are in absence of consent, and therefore rape territory. You can't prove absence of anything.

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by zbentley on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @09:22AM (#17457115)

Colleagues get involved a lot, but it's often fraught/stigmatized--but not too much. Most Europeans I know feel similarly: it happens, but is a less-than-great idea for a lot of reasons, chief among them that if it goes badly you might still end up having to work closely with the person, or choose between them and the job.

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by paulie_a on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @10:05AM (#17457320)

It's extremely common, they just keep it quiet from HR. If they end up getting married it becomes known and is acceptable in the open.

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by lagadu on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @04:15AM (#17455927)

> Even at company parties at big corporations, some Sales and Marketing folks tend go a bit overboard - and employees hooking up with each isn't unusual during such festivities either.

Heh, you should see company parties in northern Europe.

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by dagw on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @05:34AM (#17456172)

I think that's largely a myth or at least an exaggeration. I've worked in both Norway and Sweden (and currently live in Sweden) and I've never seen an office party get even close to going way overboard. Office parties in the US and the UK I've seen have been 'worse'.

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by unixhero on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @06:29AM (#17456350)

I work in a Fortune500 company in a Nordic branch.

It's extremely easy to hook up. There's like a mentality that "since you work here" you're already pre-screened :)

Summer parties at the office often devolve into something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIf1fydxrfo

Global gatherings are, indeed, very crazy.

Maybe it's something like this: "If you can't be corrupt anymore, at least you can be sexually corrupt!"

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by dagw on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @07:49AM (#17456671)

It's extremely easy to hook up.

Sure, but in my experience most of those hookups happen normally and after normal adult interactions, and not as the unintended fallout of an out of control party.

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by duxup on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @12:10PM (#17457992)

Prescreened?

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by unixhero on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @01:31PM (#17458430)

By hr:)

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by coldtea on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @07:50AM (#17456672)

>I've worked in both Norway and Sweden (and currently live in Sweden) and I've never seen an office party get even close to going way overboard

Perhaps you're not invited to the good ones...

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by dagw on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @08:03AM (#17456742)

Well, that has been my secret fear since I was about 13...

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by coldtea on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @08:09AM (#17456770)

Same here, so I can't really feel much superior :-)

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Re:Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015) by lagadu on Thursday July 05, 2018 @07:00AM (#17462277)

Maybe it's more of a Danish thing but that description is pretty accurate of the parties here: getting blackout drunk and hooking up is bread and butter.

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