A Japanese cyber-security expert who defended basic decency was stabbed to death

Re:A Japanese cyber-security expert who defended basic decen... by nl on Saturday June 30, 2018 @08:21AM (#17430611)

I think you are missing the forest for the trees.

No one - least of all me - is arguing that there aren't poor people.

My point is that this is what a predecessor to a post-scarcity society could look like.

Do you think there won't be poor people in a post-scarcity society? Or there won't be people who fall though the cracks in that society?

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Re:A Japanese cyber-security expert who defended basic decen... by emodendroket on Saturday June 30, 2018 @08:44AM (#17430685)

> Do you think there won't be poor people in a post-scarcity society?

I think if there are you can't really call it one. America is the richest country on Earth so if it's just about how you theoretically could have a society free of want if you totally reconfigured who has what then I guess we're on the cusp too! Great news!

I genuinely have no idea what you think a post-scarcity society is.

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Re:A Japanese cyber-security expert who defended basic decen... by nl on Saturday June 30, 2018 @12:36PM (#17431450)

I genuinely have no idea what you think a post-scarcity society is.

Where society has enough for all and attempt to allocate it in a way that all gets what they need.

Japan is about as close to that as exists. Yes, people fall though the cracks, but the same will happen in post-scarcity society. People will refuse to live by society's rules so they won't get their universal income, or they will have mental illness and unable to arrange their life to avoid suffering.

That isn't dissimilar to Japan. No one is staving to death, people get basic healthcare (mostly), but there are still people who society fails - and it isn't a lack of resources that causes that in Japan.

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Re:A Japanese cyber-security expert who defended basic decen... by emodendroket on Saturday June 30, 2018 @12:40PM (#17431467)

Fifteen percent of the population is poor because they're layabouts and ne'er-do-wells? You're approaching this with blinders on.

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Re:A Japanese cyber-security expert who defended basic decen... by nl on Saturday June 30, 2018 @08:41PM (#17433450)

Hu? How the hell do you get that from what I said?

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Re:A Japanese cyber-security expert who defended basic decen... by emodendroket on Sunday July 01, 2018 @11:15AM (#17435890)

You suggest that poverty is happening in a "post-scarcity society" because people are mentally ill or don't play by the rules, and that Japan is more or less what you have in mind by a "post-scarcity society." Also we have the statistic that 15% of the Japanese are in poverty. So by synthesizing all these we get my (admittedly glib) gloss on your ideas.

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