Re:Toward a Mature Science of Consciousness
by arbitrage on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @12:27PM
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"Trust me" pretty much always means "don't".
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In this case it's just a figure of speech. You don't actually have to trust me. You can read Dennett's book and see for yourself.
Re:Toward a Mature Science of Consciousness
by Florin_Andrei on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:21PM
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Dennett is becoming more and more part of the "old guard". Things are shifting towards other approaches. Of course, popularity doesn't necessarily mean anything, but keep that in mind when referring to him as an authority.
Re:Toward a Mature Science of Consciousness
by naasking on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:26PM
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> Dennett is becoming more and more part of the "old guard". Things are shifting towards other approaches.
What evidence do you have of this? In fact, the majority of practicing philosophers are actually physicalists (56.5%):
I didn't refer to him as an authority. I just said his thesis resonated with me (but at 53 I guess I'm part of the "old guard" too). YMMV of course.
Re:Toward a Mature Science of Consciousness
by mrfusion on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:25PM
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Is there an easy read where I can get a gist of where things are shifting?
Re:Toward a Mature Science of Consciousness
by Florin_Andrei on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:31PM
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panpsychism
If that's true – and I don't know if it is, even though panpsychism resonates with me personally – can you explain how panpsychism would conflict with the idea that consciousness is an illusion?
It seems like it'd be the next logical step: if consciousness is simply what (sensory) computations feel like "from the inside", then it stands to reason that other computations can also "feel like" something from the inside, regardless of the substrate they run on, no?
Re:Toward a Mature Science of Consciousness
by pokemongoaway on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:24PM
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Everyone without much direct experience of what consciousness is will continuously become the "old guard."
Re:Toward a Mature Science of Consciousness
by Florin_Andrei on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:55PM
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Everyone who is not brain dead has direct experience of what consciousness is. It's the only thing that is directly experienced, in fact. Everything else is second-hand.
Re:Toward a Mature Science of Consciousness
by pokemongoaway on Thursday June 28, 2018 @06:31PM
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Everyone who has a computer has the same level of understanding about what a computer is? Mental.
Re:Toward a Mature Science of Consciousness
by Florin_Andrei on Friday June 29, 2018 @04:48PM
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You're missing the point so badly, I'm not even sure where to begin.
Re:Toward a Mature Science of Consciousness
by pokemongoaway on Saturday June 30, 2018 @11:43PM
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And I felt the same about your comment, but I still tried my best to explain where I think you're delusional.