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Re:Jogger accidentally crosses U.S. border from B.C., gets d... by monksy on Friday June 22, 2018 @01:55PM (#17375934)
Stateless/borderless is an absurd goal to seek. (There are very good reasons for having countries and borders.. you have to draw the line somewhere)

The ridiculous treatment of the individual in the situation is something we should come down hard on that section of the government. (They should be facing an inquiry about that)

Re:Jogger accidentally crosses U.S. border from B.C., gets d... by mindcrime on Friday June 22, 2018 @04:13PM (#17376975)
Stateless/borderless is an absurd goal to seek.

Why do you say so? There's nothing inherently "good" or "just" about nation states. The only nominal support I can find for such an idea is rooted in applying something like Dunbar's Number[1]. But arguably appealing to that is committing a variation of the naturalistic fallacy[2].

The ridiculous treatment of the individual in the situation is something we should come down hard on that section of the government. (They should be facing an inquiry about that)

But who's going to conduct such an inquiry? The government? Oh, wait. It's the old "who watches the watchers?" problem. Me, I don't trust the government to provide oversight of itself. For the same reason I don't trust police to police themselves when it comes to excessive force cases, etc.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy

Re:Jogger accidentally crosses U.S. border from B.C., gets d... by monksy on Friday June 22, 2018 @06:07PM (#17377874)
If you want to have a voice in your government, you have to have some kind of division in your area/nation.

Without borders or nations, you're suggesting there will be a universal law. Who's law do you want? Do you want to be forced to wear head coverings, do you want internet censorship? Do you want to have kickbacks from the cartel? Having different nations allows you to understand where there are tradeoffs.

Re:Jogger accidentally crosses U.S. border from B.C., gets d... by spankalee on Friday June 22, 2018 @03:58PM (#17376872)
> you have to draw the line somewhere

Can you back up that assertion?

Re:Jogger accidentally crosses U.S. border from B.C., gets d... by _dps on Friday June 22, 2018 @10:56PM (#17379256)
No-borders only makes sense with anarchy or with global government. If there is more than one government in the world, they will have their own jurisdictions. Borders are the lines people use to separate jurisdictions in physical space (there are abstract separations as well).

The border between the US and Mexico exists because the US and Mexico have different laws (including taxation and benefits). The border is where the US and Mexico have negotiated that one's rules stop holding and the other's rules start holding.

Re:Jogger accidentally crosses U.S. border from B.C., gets d... by ahjushi on Friday June 22, 2018 @06:52PM (#17378189)
Without lines/borders, where does one nation end and another begin? If you are suggesting no nations, what laws are you subject to and what protections do you have?
Re:Jogger accidentally crosses U.S. border from B.C., gets d... by Broken_Hippo on Saturday June 23, 2018 @08:31PM (#17384268)
"you have to draw the line somewhere"

For taxes and things, sure. For oppression of peoples? Probably. To keep undesirable countries citizens out? Sure. To have an excuse not to care about what goes on in other countries? Most definitely.

Travel and freedom of movement and work and choice in where you wind up living? Not really.