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Re:Arizona Uber crash driver was 'watching TV' by ceejayoz on Friday June 22, 2018 @09:29AM (#17373776)
Jaywalking shouldn't carry a death sentence.

If the car can't handle a jaywalker, it can't handle a toddler running into the street. That's a problem that shouldn't be hand-waved away.

Re:Arizona Uber crash driver was 'watching TV' by vorpalhex on Friday June 22, 2018 @10:12AM (#17374079)
Can a human driver handle those things?

I had a near-collision when I was headed to work one day. I was going the speed limit on a major four lane road. I noticed ahead of me that a car was stopped in a neighboring lane. It wasn't clear if it had broken down or what, so I started slowing down. Cue a group of kids jaywalking, and running in front of my car causing me to slam on my brakes.

Had I not seen or reacted to the already stopped car (or had it simply not been there), I probably could not have stopped in time. Not that I wouldn't have absolutely tried my best, but physics dictates that a compact SUV going at 45 mph doesn't come to a stop immediately.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't evaluate whether Uber seriously messed up and should face dramatic consequences - it certainly seems like they disabled a critical safety system that would of saved the pedestrians life.

Rather, we shouldn't make such grandiose statements like "Jaywalking shouldn't carry a death sentence" which don't really touch on the facts of the case. We should instead ask, "Did Uber's negligence cause this to result in a death when it shouldn't of been one?"

Re:Arizona Uber crash driver was 'watching TV' by SmellyGeekBoy on Friday June 22, 2018 @10:46AM (#17374324)
> Can a human driver handle those things?

I'll point out that in this case the crash was "entirely avoidable" according to the official police report.

Re:Arizona Uber crash driver was 'watching TV' by mental1896 on Friday June 22, 2018 @09:36AM (#17373821)
100% agree. Whether we like it or not though, sometimes it does mean death--even with normal cars. That's why crosswalks are there in the first place.
Re:Arizona Uber crash driver was 'watching TV' by isostatic on Friday June 22, 2018 @12:07PM (#17375054)
One of the scenarios that sticks in mind from learning to drive in the UK is the bouncing ball. Drive through residential area, ball bounces out in front, you immediately go for the brakes because there's a good chance there's a kid chasing it.

Does Uber do that? Does any of the more advanced systems (lidar, radar etc) do that?