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Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by bond on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @12:47PM (#1736265)
So we were right to suspect the move to Seattle was tax based...
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by _delirium on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @01:04PM (#1736340)
Wonder what this'll do for his first-hand reporting on Silicon Valley. If you've moved out of a state for tax reasons, you generally have to be physically absent from the state the majority of the time--- you can't "move" but still live there 11 out of 12 months. (For California, you also have to stay moved for at least 4 years, or else your sub-4-year move might be deemed merely a temporary absence with intent to return.)
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by flyosity on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @03:09PM (#1736843)
He'll be making capital gains money, not income, so this move will not help him. (I had the same thought re: the move but was corrected on Twitter by a friend who sold his startup - Newsvine - and lives in Seattle.)
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by vgurgov on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @01:08PM (#1736357)
am I the only one who thinks that IF its really the case, its kinda ... unfair. cmn, MA is good writer and he 100% deserves his money but he made it writing about SV! I think CA certainly deserve its 10,3% back, hey?
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by sdp on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @01:19PM (#1736393)
I don't think SV is SV _because_ it's in CA. I think SV is SV _despite_ being in CA.
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by _delirium on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @01:30PM (#1736435)
People have been arguing about it forever, but I think there's at least a relationship. The UC and Cal State systems have been feeders to many tech companies, and during the Valley's formative period, even the private universities were heavily state-subsidized (California used to have an extremely generous CalGrants scholarship that would pay for any CA high-school student with good grades to go to any CA university, public or private).
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by tnorthcutt on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @01:17PM (#1736384)
Would you still feel that way if he had lived in Washington the whole time?
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by steveklabnik on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @01:22PM (#1736403)
There are rules in place to determine what's 'fair' and what's not 'fair.' I'm assuming Mike has played by all the rules, so it's most certainly 'fair.'
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by jpwatts on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @01:35PM (#1736462)
You seem to be confusing what is "fair" with what is "legal."
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by steveklabnik on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @01:47PM (#1736526)
Sorry. The word 'fair' tends to get me going slightly, because I'm a competitive person. That word tends to be used by people as a crutch. For more: http://www.sirlin.net/ptw/ and specifically: http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html

If the state of California didn't think what Arrington did was right, there'd be a law. We've built up a system of rules, we all have to follow them, Mike did, so he's in the clear.

Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by jpwatts on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @02:17PM (#1736661)
The State has the right to determine what is legal; I reserve for myself the right to determine what is fair.

I encourage you to do the same.

Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by steveklabnik on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @02:25PM (#1736685)
Yes, reading your other post below, it seems we'll have to agree to disagree on this.
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by jpwatts on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @02:35PM (#1736719)
"Fair" enough.
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by gxti on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @08:22PM (#1737856)
"Law" is [theoretically] a consensus on "fairness". If we all went around killing each other based on our personal views, well that just wouldn't be very fair, now would it?
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by poet on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @01:42PM (#1736501)
Agreed, but it's your job as a citizen to try and pay exactly what you owe by law. If what Arrington did was legal, it wasn't wrong of him. No one should be paying more taxes than what's legally required. If there are any loopholes (so to speak), it's the role of the citizens to "exploit" them and the role of law makers to close them if necessary.
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by ericd on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @04:53PM (#1737277)
If there are any loopholes (so to speak), it's the role of the citizens to "exploit" them and the role of law makers to close them if necessary.

That's a pretty bad attitude to have, that citizens should be trying to exploit as many loopholes as possible. That sets up citizenry vs. govt. as a competitive game, which is a great recipe for making something that's supposed to be cooperative become dysfunctional and complex.

It's an impossibly complex task to make a perfect airtight literal codex of laws in a system, and it's not reasonable to assume that humans can create such without introducing a huge number of contradictions, etc. We need to keep in mind the spirit of the law in order to keep our system from devolving into a morass.

Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by count on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @05:04PM (#1737316)
I'd argue that complexity is what causes loopholes, rather than the other way around. Things like tax credits aren't 'loopholes' - they're specifically codified in the law for people to utilize, in an attempt to encourage certain behaviors.

It's not gamesmanship, although there is some competitiveness between state tax laws (such as this WA vs CA capital gains thing).

That's WA's incentive to get people with lots of money to come live (and hopefully spend) it in WA. CA has enough people with lots of money that it can afford to take a different stance.

Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by ericd on Wednesday September 29, 2010 @12:20AM (#1738311)
Right, complexity definitely leads to loopholes, I was saying that it was an adversarial/exploitative attitude that leads to increasing complexity.
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by Semiapies on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @01:41PM (#1736495)
You seem to be confusing tax revenues with fairness.
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by jpwatts on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @01:49PM (#1736534)
I'm not taking a position on Arrington. I just object to the idea that legality implies fairness, by definition.
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by Semiapies on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @02:06PM (#1736617)
"Conformity with rules or standards" is an established meaning of "fairness"; to make any other judgement, as the poster a few levels above did, requires one to take a position on Arrington.
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by jpwatts on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @02:32PM (#1736709)
There are two places where one might take a position: "are the laws being fairly applied in this case?" and "are the laws themselves fair?".

Clearly it would be unfair to treat Arrington differently than the law requires. I think the charitable interpretation of the above poster is that he thinks the laws themselves are unfair. You may disagree, but arguing that what Arrington did is legal is beside the point.

Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by Semiapies on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @03:14PM (#1736869)
I've already pointed out that if Arrington's complied with the tax rules and standards, his action have met one definition of fairness, which is not at all beside the point. To argue fairness or unfairness by other definitions, you have to take a position on those laws. Otherwise, you rule out such judgments, which leads us back to the question "did he play by the rules?"
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by Semiapies on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @03:17PM (#1736882)
Sounds like you actually think he only 89.7% deserves his money. ;)
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by tlrobinson on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @01:26PM (#1736419)
I'm sure CA's tax board will be looking into his claim of WA residence...
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by bhiggins on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @12:51PM (#1736284)
Fellow Washingtonians, let's consider passing I-1098 especially in this light: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/426758_fair16.html
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by ellyagg on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @01:39PM (#1736485)
Fellow Washingtonians, let's consider not discouraging profitable business from moving to the state and stop encouraging profitable businesses that are already here, e.g., Boeing, to move more of its operations out of state.
Re:Tim Armstrong: We Got TechCrunch by bhiggins on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @01:50PM (#1736546)
I agree. I-1098 also cuts the B&O tax and helps fund education. Employers need educated and skilled employees.