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Re:New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring by js8 on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @08:08AM (#17345801)
"I'm not a libertarian but The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith states that all country will have certain expertise they are just good at. Whether it is because the geography that enable them to be better than other or other things, because they're good at certain thing, countries should play to their strength and trade for what they need."

And I am not against free trade (well, with reservations), but I think this idea has been proven wrong historically. I think countries that try to do a bit of everything, be self-sufficient, and perhaps specialize only in some very specific areas are generally more successful.

Just look at the U.S. as an example - if they followed Smith's advice, they would still continue to trade cotton. This advice will never let countries to build up an industrial base. (Or funny you mentioned LG - they were originally a textile corporation but the government forced them into electric industry.)

In my view, a country should have as many diverse industries as much it can keep all the specialists busy (the same is true for companies, by the way). That means to try to produce locally everything that is sufficiently consumed locally.

The reason why is that there are strong network effects in diversification. It's great if you e.g. produce agricultural machinery and you can talk directly to the farmer, who is going to use it. If you sell this machinery to people on the other side of the planet, with a cultural barrier, this gets much trickier.

Re:New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring by stickfigure on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @11:55AM (#17347826)
Just look at the U.S. as an example - if they followed Smith's advice, they would still continue to trade cotton.

The US is (still) the third largest cotton producer in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_production_in_the_Unite... https://www.npr.org/2013/12/02/248243399/technology-subsidie...

Re:New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring by Nasrudith on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @09:07AM (#17346200)
That is a matter of scale more than anything else in my opinion. Countries natrually diversify when there are resources to exploit/nurture and even on a small scale they are decidedly not homogeneous. Even when restricted to 13 colonies scale the US would never remain agrarian. The north lacks cash crops and had too much in other resources natrual, labor, and educational to make industrialization nearly inevitable. Even if a fanatical regieme took extreme measures against it they would wind up knocked over by a world that passed them by and wants what they are sitting on.

Not to mention the chicken and egg problems - are they dysfunctional because of monoindustry or monoindustry because they are dysfunctional? Dysfunction leads to monoindustry since the base cannot be lost to war - see conflict minerals. Everyone wisely stays away and refuses to trade with smash and grab warlords and despots out of self preservation alone - owners wisely do not want to legitimise that sort of capital seizing for the same reason one doesn't try to work for a non survival desperation cannibal. They did it before and will probably do it again to you when convenient.

Causation and correlation with such messy subjects that I can see your point even if I disagree with the cause.

Re:New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring by cobbzilla on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @01:16PM (#17348466)
This idea is often formally referred to as the "Law of Comparative Advantage", and most economists do believe it provides a logical defense of free trade. That said, there are some interesting criticisms of it [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage#Criticis...

Re:New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring by tonyedgecombe on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @08:53AM (#17346074)
Absolutely, you can see the problem with relying on one source of income in the oil dependent countries. Towns and Cities with a dominant employer have similar problems.

On the other hand having a closed border and expecting to do everything yourself leaves you exposed to potential famines and in a general state of poverty, see North Korea for an example.

Re:New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring by Brockenstein on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @10:33AM (#17347021)
>And I am not against free trade (well, with reservations), but I think this idea has been proven wrong historically. I think countries that try to do a bit of everything, be self-sufficient, and perhaps specialize only in some very specific areas are generally more successful.

Oh? Which countries have been successful as you describe?

>Just look at the U.S. as an example - if they followed Smith's advice, they would still continue to trade cotton. This advice will never let countries to build up an industrial base. (Or funny you mentioned LG - they were originally a textile corporation but the government forced them into electric industry.)

Wrong. Smith's advice isn't arguing for static stagnant maintenance of the status quo. Economies, markets and products are always evolving. There's always opportunities to grow and change. That doesn't mean there's always an opportunity at every moment to outcompete a dominant foreign manufacturer.

>In my view, a country should have as many diverse industries as much it can

Countries do this already. If it's a capitalist economy and there's opportunity people will give it a go. I think you're grossly oversimplifying this and don't really understand how huge the market is and the number of industries there are.

I think you'll find it's much harder to manage your fantasy in reality than you imagine.

>It's great if you e.g. produce agricultural machinery and you can talk directly to the farmer, who is going to use it. If you sell this machinery to people on the other side of the planet, with a cultural barrier, this gets much trickier.

And yet people do sell all sorts of things on the other side of the planet, all the time, because while it may be "trickier" it means they have a much larger market, and greater opportunities for revenue and growth.

Frankly if your vision was at all workable it would have been settled upon by now.