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Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by vitaflo on Monday June 18, 2018 @03:34PM (#17341022)
> Too many people are willing to shill for free, which hurts anyone trying to do it for money.

But you're still a shill either way. Maybe I'm just old but when I was growing up being a sellout was a pejorative. Now it's considered a virtue. I frankly don't get it.

Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by collyw on Monday June 18, 2018 @03:50PM (#17341141)
Well said. There was something I inherently disliked about the whole influencer idea. By labeling it a sellout I see exactly what it was. (Sellout actually implies they had something cool to begin with like a band, unlike influencers).
Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by rconti on Monday June 18, 2018 @05:34PM (#17341864)
Yeah, I'm honestly perplexed as to why anyone would follow any of these people. I'm on the various social platforms to varying extents. I use Facebook but primarily interact with friends an family. Ditto with Instagram, but I also follow some people I don't know; a few great photographers, seph lawless (photographs urban decay), the folks with the dog and cat they take camping, etc. No part of me is interested in following someone who is a celebrity for celebrity's sake, let alone a person who is ONLY a celebrity because they're attempting to monetize their following. I don't mean that would explicitly turn me off (although it probably would), I mean, I don't see the impetus to follow in the first place. What value or enjoyment would I get from content that is without value?
Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by pitaj on Monday June 18, 2018 @06:06PM (#17342002)
It's children.

Fun rule: if you're ever wondering why something odd or stupid is popular, it's probably kids.

Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by jakubp on Monday June 18, 2018 @06:17PM (#17342067)
Nope. Alcohol, drugs, watching sports, these things are really odd and really stupid in my view and yet it's not kids who drive the sales the most.
Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by chiefalchemist on Monday June 18, 2018 @06:22PM (#17342110)
In the context of the article / thread, children is probably accurate.
Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by jakubp on Monday June 18, 2018 @06:43PM (#17342229)
No, it's not. There are surely lots of "kids", which I'm guessing includes teenagers, but there's also a high percentage of people aged 20-40 or even more who follow those "influencers" much the same way. People don't really grow up from being naive, susceptible to social fashions, etc.
Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by quakeguy on Monday June 18, 2018 @07:20PM (#17342430)
It is, you aren't right here. 16 year olds with a smartphone and IG account make up a big spare of those likes/shares/whatever... The other big party is bots/fake accounts/you get the idea.. And i'm generous here, even 11year olds have the ability to move trends nowadays, i can't give numbers, only anectodal reference, but i assume that's what OP meant.
Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by nl on Monday June 18, 2018 @07:38PM (#17342541)
I'm in my 40s. I follow lots of popular accounts (so influencers, right?) in the cycling world.

My wife does the same in interior design.

There are lots of kids, true. But try looking at mommy-instagram and you'll see a whole other world.

Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by chiefalchemist on Monday June 18, 2018 @11:02PM (#17343505)
True. But following is not engagement. If you average X likes per hour on say IG and your teen doppelganger also is X p/h but they're on IG 5 or 6 times as much as you. Well, I think you can see the difference.
Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by nl on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @08:32PM (#17351447)
Yeah perhaps.

But older people spend lots of money on non essential items.

Also have you seen how much time a stay at home Mom spends on social media? They'd give any teenager fair competition.

Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by quakeguy on Monday June 18, 2018 @08:58PM (#17342944)
Right, i was blinded by my own experience. Excuse me.
Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by jakubp on Monday June 18, 2018 @07:32PM (#17342502)
I'm not right here? Where is that? Why do you restrict this conversation to one imagined location as if the same thing wasn't happening in multiple countries simultaneously?

I am right here in Poland and I tell you, the things you show, and the things described in the article and in the first comment in this thread, they are all consumed en masse by young and mid-age adults (especially women). Lifestyle, sports, fashion, diet, craft, yoga, coaching, ikebana, it's all on Insta and Facebook and other platforms and when you see who's commenting, it's not JUST kids. And there's way more people 20+ than the kids. I never said kids do not have influence (sic) of that kind, they do. But when someone says "if you see something odd or stupid, it's the kids", it's just completely wrong. Kids have serious purchasing and decision making power now, but still it's just a fraction.

Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by chiefalchemist on Monday June 18, 2018 @10:58PM (#17343486)
Non-teen usage might be high, but teen usage is __much__ higher, and there are more teens. You just don't see them. Where as under-employed adults will naturally leave the house; because then can.
Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by quakeguy on Monday June 18, 2018 @08:57PM (#17342938)
I see, excuse my ignorant comment. You are right, i misinterpreted the amount of non-teenager accounts.
Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by chiefalchemist on Monday June 18, 2018 @10:54PM (#17343474)
The number of 20 - 40 y/o that have the same amount of free time (to FO on the internet) is minimal. If you're post-college and have a job you have a fraction of the internet time of a college or high school kid.

I'm not disputing the existence of such 20 - 40 y/o, just that their percentage of YT or IG usage is small compared to real kids.

Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by chiefalchemist on Monday June 18, 2018 @06:20PM (#17342091)
> "Yeah, I'm honestly perplexed as to why anyone would follow any of these people."

My gut feeling is, the higher the number of followers, the higher the percentage of those followers are bots.

Perhaps guilt prevents many of the influencers from charging "full price"? I also presume any contracts with big brands - however difficult they might be to enforce - clauses that attempt to mitigate such fraud.

The internet...the news is fake...the people are fake...fake is the only thing that's real.

Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by ghaff on Monday June 18, 2018 @04:17PM (#17341347)
If one substitutes "write about things that interest me" for "shill," I don't have any problem with it. But I read shill as if you give me stuff/pay me, I'll write nice things about them.

Personally, I sometimes accept review copies of things/books/etc. But, if I don't like them, that's what I'll write.

Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by pas on Monday June 18, 2018 @06:00PM (#17341985)
Eventually the companies will ask those who reliably write positive things.

And when you have nothing, but followers, and all you want is followers, you don't really want to say negative things anyway.

So, it's a social game, of how to climb the ladder made of nothing, by latching on to those who are somehow higher up all the way up to the sky. This is the Kim Kardashian model.

Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by ghaff on Monday June 18, 2018 @06:09PM (#17342026)
Fortunately, it's not how I make money and I don't really care if a company sends me stuff or pays my expenses to an event or not. And at least some companies, especially if they believe they have a genuinely good product, are willing to roll the dice with people who have a genuine following and are frequently critical but fair.
Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by chiefalchemist on Monday June 18, 2018 @06:29PM (#17342140)
Yes. But positive isn't necessarily credible. A positive review from the wrong source can be bad news from some brands / products.

But again, this could be why some many brands pay so little most of the time. They're just tossing shit at the wall, but in this case kinda hoping not too much actually sticks.

Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by pas on Monday June 18, 2018 @06:43PM (#17342224)
Exactly. Positive is at best publication bias, or self-censorship, or whatever you want to call it, but usually it's pretty simply just fake.

People know it, but that doesn't matter, what matters is that people like those who live the high-life. Crystal clear ocean lapping the painfully white sand beach, the sky so blue, even its reflection seems to burn out as it shimmers on the endless cerulean horizon, all there for those who "have it". And the next post is a seemingly boring street, just shops, and our hero, somewhere in Europe, and maybe a messy hair day photo thrown in, our hero rests, somewhere in a 5 star hotel, a scantly clad young female caught an impromptu point in time, yet somehow critically perfectly advantageous for her, all of it - of course - done effortlessly. The next post is just a boring "shopping" pic again. Maybe a bag, a shoe, a dress from Prada, Gucci, Dior, but the 1000-3000 USD ones, of course.

So little said, everything implied.

Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by eloisant on Monday June 18, 2018 @04:36PM (#17341497)
That's because nowadays we judge people by the size of their bank account. We equate people's value to economic value, somehow what you do hasn't any value if you can't create wealth from it.

We even talk about the "net worth" of someone, like if their money what "what they're worth".

Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by skookumchuck on Monday June 18, 2018 @06:07PM (#17342009)
Nowadays?

It was always thus.

To me, I am worth infinite money. But I accept that to others, I am hardly worth much of anything.

Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by freehunter on Monday June 18, 2018 @08:36PM (#17342835)
>But you're still a shill either way

Eh. Everyone has a job, and everyone has an opinion. The difference between an honest "influencer" and you posting a comment here talking about a product/service you like is that the influencer is getting paid for their honest opinion while you're doing it for free. I don't see that as a bad thing personally.

As for dishonest influencers who shill for products they don't like... well, probably half the people on this forum work for an advertising company. It's literally the same thing. Me telling my Instagram followers to buy a product isn't any different from Google showing you an AdWords ad for the same thing.

Being a sellout is only a pejorative to hippies and artists. To anyone else, it's called having a job.

Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by jcahill on Wednesday June 20, 2018 @10:06AM (#17355441)
>The difference between an honest "influencer" and you posting a comment here talking about a product/service you like is that the influencer is getting paid for their honest opinion while you're doing it for free.

You're describing a reviewer, brainiac.

>you posting a comment here talking about a product/service you like

The only difference between unsolicited, antisocially consumerist behavior and what you do is that you're pay to play. Sure, this is factual.

>As for dishonest influencers who shill for products they don't like... well, probably half the people on this forum work for an advertising company.

Imagine the frailty of a life propped up by shit like transparent tu quoques and $38 in revenue plus like sephora samples and mushroom brand watches with busted dials. Imagine the intense shame and suicidal ideation over the worthlessness of such a life

>Me telling my Instagram followers to buy a product isn't any different from Google showing you an AdWords ad for the same thing.

Google's game is to be large enough that this process can almost be tolerable, while remaining bureaucratically impersonal yet targeted to the ad recipient's consumer profile. It's also eminently avoidable.

Your game is to get access to "exclusive social events" in Area City at the expense of anyone who might've followed you thinking you were an actual person, while failing to get compensated more meaningfully because you just ain't that pretty.

>Being a sellout is only a pejorative to hippies and artists. To anyone else, it's called having a job.

Sellouts are people without professional integrity. That's what the term means.

Re:Just How Much Money Do “Influencers” Make? by softwarefounder on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @12:56AM (#17343961)
Agreed.

I'd only promote something I truly liked or "believed" in, and even then it's risky - the establishment, recipe or product can change on a dime, and then you're image and promotion is still tied to it.