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Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by rahulmehta95 on Monday June 18, 2018 @02:02PM (#17340270)
Wouldn't this be a direct violation of the Outer Space Treaty?
Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by Rebelgecko on Monday June 18, 2018 @02:10PM (#17340314)
No. This would move parts of the military that already do space stuff (primarily Air Force) into their own branch. The OST doesn't ban all military things in space (GPS constellation for example, is totally legal). The OST does ban nuclear weapons and 'boots on the ground' when it comes to certain extraterrestrial environs. But again, despite the name this isn't a Space Marine type organization that is being proposed. Just a reorg of existing capabilities.
Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by andrewtbham on Monday June 18, 2018 @02:28PM (#17340489)
Yeh. Seems like Air Force is already Space Force.

I have always been curious what boeing X37 does?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37

Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by ojosilva on Sunday June 24, 2018 @06:50PM (#17388783)
Given its size and operating specs I'd say it's a space drone designed for superiority in the orbital range. It enables the Air Force to attack and defend at very high altitudes against otherwise unreachable targets and threats. Or, at least now, since it doesn't appear to carry or need any weapons systems, it can tow satellites out of orbit (for security reasons, American or foreign) or run very specific rescue missions.
Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by ceejayoz on Monday June 18, 2018 @02:07PM (#17340292)
No. The Outer Space Treaty forbids WMDs in orbit, but conventional weapons are fine. If the US decided to annex the Moon or put nukes into orbit, that'd be a violation.

(Incidentally, Soyuz capsules already carry firearms into space, in case of bears/wolves/etc. at the landing site.)

Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by danielvf on Monday June 18, 2018 @02:33PM (#17340522)
Not to mention the USSR put a 23mm autocannon into space onboard a space station.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salyut_3#On-board_gun

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Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by sctb on Monday June 18, 2018 @02:07PM (#17340295)
Could you please resist this kind of chest poking (“you”) here?

Edit: Thanks. There's a point here but it's obscured by generic inflammation. Less of that and more substance will help these conversations be more informative.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by gonvaled on Monday June 18, 2018 @02:18PM (#17340393)
You are right, but my plane is taking off an I need to be brief:

These all check:

- iran

- TTIP

- NAFTA

- Paris accord

And more

Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by sremani on Monday June 18, 2018 @02:56PM (#17340724)
- IRAN : not a treaty

- TTIP : did not sign the treaty, out of negotiation

- NAFTA : still in treaty, all three parties want changes and negotiating

- Paris accord : not a treaty

Having said that. US is the sole super power and it gets to make the rules. Given the domestic politics and economic realities the mid-west and specifically the steel belt, now the rust belt gets to decide the Presidency in the near-future. Populism is the new norm, no matter what the Coastal Elites feel or think!

Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by hirundo on Monday June 18, 2018 @02:31PM (#17340510)
The agreement with Iran and the Paris Accord were not submitted to Congress, and so did not have the weight of treaties. TTIP negotiations have been suspended and it has not been ratified. Like the president, Secretary Clinton publically opposed it during the presidential campaign. Trump has expressed an interest in renegotiating NAFTA but it's still in place.
Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by gonvaled on Monday June 18, 2018 @04:35PM (#17341492)
The world does not care about the minutiae of US's internal political system. In the case of Paris, an agreement was signed and not respected.
Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by AnimalMuppet on Monday June 18, 2018 @05:01PM (#17341661)
Well, we don't care about your (deliberate?) ignorance. The difference matters to us.

In the case of Paris, the agreement was signed by someone who did not have the authority to bind the US to the agreement. If you felt that we are breaking our agreement, well, I can understand your disappointment, but the problem was your understanding of the situation, not the US's "not respecting agreements". (When someone "makes a commitment" for your country, who does not have that authority, do you want to be bound by it?)

Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by hirundo on Monday June 18, 2018 @06:15PM (#17342057)
Would you feel the same if it were President Trump who signed an accord, say, to subsidize greater greenhouse gas emmisions, and President Warren withdrew from it?
Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by gonvaled on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @12:24AM (#17343828)
Most countries would not be signatories of such an accord, so there would be little to withdraw from.

Paris was a hard-fought compromise, involving concessions from all involved. A difficult negotiation, achieved with great effort and time investment, and shattered to pieces in two minutes.

Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by gonvaled on Monday June 18, 2018 @02:12PM (#17340339)
Corrected, thanks!
Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by frockington on Monday June 18, 2018 @02:35PM (#17340542)
Considering the US has the worlds largest economy,the worlds largest military and funds most major global organizations, its safe to say they can change any international treaty they want.
Re:Trump directs establishment of U.S. force to dominate space by gonvaled on Monday June 18, 2018 @04:27PM (#17341434)
Indeed. And by leading with that example, the US will find itself tasting its own medicine when (not if) power ratios change.

Same thing happened with cold war: once the US abused russia's weakness to increse its area of influence, all hope of moving to a fairer international order vanished. Russia remembers that.

The US has been relatively mild in abusing its power, compared to other historical powers, but is guilty of a very big crime: the undermining of the nascent international order.

It will come in due time, but it has been unnecessarily delayed.