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Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by ggregoire on Thursday June 14, 2018 @09:03PM (#17316700)
I wonder if it’s a nerd thing.

“Linux is better than Windows”

“Android is better than iOS”

“Python is better than PHP”

“Vim is better than everything else”

Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by oorza on Thursday June 14, 2018 @09:08PM (#17316720)
Once you get old enough, you realize everything is shit and nothing is better than anything else because, again, it's all shit.
Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by tasuki on Friday June 15, 2018 @04:16AM (#17318273)
Just because everything is shit (yes I'm grumpy too) doesn't mean it's the same level of shit: https://www.readthesequences.com/The-Fallacy-Of-Gray
Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by eksemplar on Thursday June 14, 2018 @11:45PM (#17317416)
Especially when you work in enterprise, and even more so when you work in public sector enterprise.

We’re using tech that’s outlived more fads than I can count, yet I’m still surprised when younger hires insists on using stuff that’s basically supported by one man.

I’ll admit JAVA almost made it to the list of techs we were going to have a conversation about in the late 00s, but these days it’s as relevant as ever. So is C#.

The front end is nothing but terrible though. I trained a few of my employees to do angular, and then they had to relearn things with angular2. Maybe that’s not an issue for start ups where youngsters slave away in their free time, but it cost me roughly $60.000 in expenses and missed work to retrain our people.

Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by Udik on Friday June 15, 2018 @07:45AM (#17319025)
> I trained a few of my employees to do angular, and then they had to relearn things with angular2

Had to? Did you hit the limit of the things you could do with AngularJS?

Your developers probably decided to move to Angular2 because it was new and shiny, and when they'll be out for a new job it'll look good on the CV. I doubt there was any business reason for investing those $60k.

Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by eksemplar on Friday June 15, 2018 @09:17AM (#17319517)
There are several business reasons to do update, I'll take you through a few if them.

* We operate a lot of IT systems, some of them are build in corporation with smaller local firms. This isn't necessarily the most sound decision financially, but it's a political decision to support the local area. We handle the business end, the project management, we do fairly strict code reviews and we take over once it's ready for operations. I said it wasn't the most sound decision financially, but so far it's actually been a cheap way to develop smaller user friendly functionality in a lot of areas. None of these small companies have AngularJS qualified people anymore, and haven't had for a while.

* I can't hire people to do AngularJS. It didn't stick around for long enough for any real talent to develop on it, at least not in Denmark. I'm not hiring from the most lucrative position either, mind you, it's the public sector after all.

* I don't want to operate two Angular versions in my stack. I already manage more than 500 different IT systems, it'd be crazy to manage more JavaScript frameworks than I have to.

* I spend a lot more than $60k upgrading my employees. A few of my developers wanted to go with Angular 2 rather than stick with AngularJS. I'm perfectly fine with that. They could've learned something else, but I generally let my employees chose their direction as long as it also makes sense on the business end. This upgrade was perfectly fine with me.

Unless Google does a completely new take on Angular2-6 in the coming years, it'll turn out to save me a lot more than the $60k in the long run.

Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by Udik on Friday June 15, 2018 @09:28AM (#17319589)
It's fine, just none of the reasons you gave is an actual business reason. Basically you moved to Angular2 because everybody else around did, and it would have been harder to recruit and to keep developers, and to interact with developers of other companies.

They're perfectly valid reasons, but they have nothing to do with the quality of tool, or of the product, or with the cost sustained to develop it. Basically you had to move on just to stay exactly where you were.

Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by eksemplar on Friday June 15, 2018 @12:22PM (#17320997)
You’re not really reading what I write, are you?
Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by Udik on Friday June 15, 2018 @12:38PM (#17321167)
Am I missing a bit of sarcasm in the first line, maybe? Yes, you are right, those you list are all valid business reasons. They just don't have anything to do with the frameworks: if everyone had made the inverse move from Angular2 to AngularJS, you would have done the same for the exact same reasons. Do you agree?
Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by Can_Not on Friday June 15, 2018 @09:09AM (#17319467)
I imagine 60k saved you the cost of having to train replacements for your developers that left for companies already using Angular 2.
Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by Udik on Friday June 15, 2018 @09:21AM (#17319540)
Then let's say that Angular2 had the same business value of, for example, free meals, stock options, cool company parties and a sense of purpose. In other words, keeping the developers entertained. With the possibile difference that while the above things actually have a value in themselves, the new shiny framework only has one because people are afraid to be left behind.
Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by xellisx on Thursday June 14, 2018 @09:20PM (#17316770)
It's just a matter of which shit tastes better to you. =)
Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by __derek__ on Thursday June 14, 2018 @11:09PM (#17317251)
You might enjoy Gary Bernhardt's talk "Wat"[1] and, well, pretty much all the other ones.

[1]: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat

Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by lenocinor on Friday June 15, 2018 @06:11PM (#17324057)
This seems like a very cynical comment to me, and I find it strange that no one has tried to rebut this yet. I always found it refreshing that Hacker News tried to resist this kind of thinking. Is that spirit fading?
Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by hestefisk on Friday June 15, 2018 @04:56AM (#17318411)
Some software just sucks less.
Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by tuespetre on Thursday June 14, 2018 @09:38PM (#17316852)
Gersploosh is clearly the superior framework.
Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by joneil on Thursday June 14, 2018 @09:33PM (#17316836)
It's our version of sports teams. ("Cavs are better than 76ers!")

We pick a tribe and can be loud and obnoxious in support of them.

Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by jgalentine007 on Thursday June 14, 2018 @09:57PM (#17316952)
Vim is better than everything else.

- Albert Einstein

Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by decasteve on Friday June 15, 2018 @06:35AM (#17318744)
Emacs or death! - Évariste Galois
Re:Has Vue passed React yet? by tomcooks on Friday June 15, 2018 @05:04AM (#17318437)
They are called "holy wars", the Jargon File has an entry