Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars and lane dividers

Re:Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars a... by smogcutter on Saturday June 09, 2018 @06:08PM (#17275298)

I mean, I'm also pessimistic about self driving cars, but I think it's reasonable to assume that Tesla engineers are aware that machine learning is hard.

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Re:Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars a... by stephengillie on Sunday June 10, 2018 @02:40AM (#17276922)

Yandex Taxi has Youtube videos of their self-driving car. This video of a car navigating a snowy Moscow street is especially impressive [0]. They don't seem to come up in self-driving car discussions on HN.

[0] https://youtu.be/Bx08yRsR9ow

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Re:Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars a... by amelius on Sunday June 10, 2018 @09:19AM (#17277976)

A system which uses a LiDAR can be conceptually a lot simpler than one without. It tells you where all the obstacles are (stationary or not), so it naturally circumvents the main problem of Autopilot.

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Re:Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars a... by dchichkov on Saturday June 09, 2018 @06:22PM (#17275349)

I'm actually moderately optimistic about self driving cars. I think, we will see large fleets operating with no drivers in good conditions (and low speeds :) in a relatively short time frame. There are companies in which people had been honing skills of building products with machine learning for decades.

BTW, a bit of a plug. I'm running a nonprofit/public dataset project aimed at increasing safety of autonomous vehicles. If anyone here wants to contribute (with suggestions / pull requests / following it on twitter / etc) - you'd be most welcome. Its: https://www.safe-av.org/ . I'm just starting it/trying it out - simple feedback or following the twitter handle would already be helpful.

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Re:Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars a... by jacobush on Saturday June 09, 2018 @07:25PM (#17275559)

Depends on how many are fired by angry managers. If you are unlucky, only the wood carving ones are left.

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Re:Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars a... by Animats on Sunday June 10, 2018 @02:11AM (#17276847)

Tesla's "autopilot" project has had at least 3 of the project leaders quit.[1]

[1] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/04/tesla-autopilot-crisis-...

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Re:Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars a... by jacobush on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:49AM (#17277370)

I could also imagine being a reluctant woodcarver ... "Yes master. If we keep carving this piece of wooden golem, it will come alive!"

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Re:Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars a... by baybal2 on Sunday June 10, 2018 @01:45AM (#17276762)

That's strange. As one of most popular "crash management" systems on the market, one installed on Volvos is quite good at this, to the extend they put it's test video into their commercials.

A sponsored article?

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Re:Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars a... by mcguire on Sunday June 10, 2018 @12:01PM (#17278705)

https://support.volvocars.com/hk/cars/Pages/owners-manual.as...

"WARNING

"When the adaptive cruise control is following another vehicle at speeds in excess ofca 30 km/h (20 mph) and the target is changed from a moving vehicle to a stationary vehicle, the adaptive cruise control will ignore the stationary vehicle and instead select the stored speed.

"The driver must then intervene him/herself and brake."

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Re:Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars a... by rspeer on Sunday June 10, 2018 @12:15PM (#17278778)

Wow, that is some really unclear and weaselly wording. Do I understand correctly that it means "This system might decide to 'follow' a stopped car and crash into it, and then we'll say it's your fault"?

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Re:Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars a... by mcguire on Sunday June 10, 2018 @02:22PM (#17279425)

Yes.

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Re:Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars a... by RaceWon on Sunday June 10, 2018 @04:14PM (#17279950)

As an open wheel formula car racer, I have to say that my best guess is most people who would purchase a "self-driving" car do not like to drive (if I could disable the anti-lock on my cars I would, and I ALWAYS drive with the skid control turned off. Although I have track tested some of the VW models circa 2010 on short autocross tracks with the stability program on and did not find it a hindrance to driving the cars sideways through the corners. I did not time test it to see which way was quicker, but again I felt in control and not that the car was fighting me; having said that I still drove my GTI with the stability program switched off even in the snow and especially in the rain) and I believe this is a major factor in these crashes.

One of the most difficult things to do in a race, is to go fast/drive at your best the moment the flag goes green; and here it appears to me that we have people who don't like to drive, so therefore they likely aren't very good at it, and suddenly they are faced with a life and death crisis in which they NOW have to save their life by starting to drive the car when they are not even warmed up and they have very little room for error... I mean do the math.

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Re:Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars a... by Domenic_S on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:43PM (#17280315)

Liking something doesn’t mean you have to partake 100% every time the opportunity arises. I like chocolate cake but I don’t order it every time I sit down to eat. What’s more, a lot of us are very skilled at things we don’t particularly like.

Ultimately what you’re keying into is skill and interest - most people aren’t very skilled at driving and they don’t really care to be.

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Re:Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars a... by astura on Sunday June 10, 2018 @09:36PM (#17281137)

Um... Just because someone doesn't care to do something doesn't mean they are bad at it. In fact, it's been my experience that the people who enjoy driving the most are the most reckless ones.

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