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Re:Deep learning: a critical appraisal by seanmcdirmid on Saturday June 02, 2018 @07:04PM (#17216892)
AGI is a well-defined goal post, like reaching the moon or mars. People want to achieve it because they know it is possible (we are evidence of that), so why not try?

Younger generations eventually succeed older generations as they die off. If we create something better, wouldn’t that just be a better new humanity to succeed the old one?

Re:Deep learning: a critical appraisal by evrydayhustling on Saturday June 02, 2018 @07:28PM (#17216985)
I think AGI is actually an attractive but poorly defined goal post. First, human level intelligence (and intelligence in general) is poorly defined. Recommended reading on this is Gould's "Mismeasure of Man".

Second, when we "want" human minds in a possessive industrial sense, it is almost always for a small fraction of their capabilities. (Thank God our need to classify images does not seem to explicitly require servile machines with, say, the ability to love.)

When I was studying pre-deep learning statistical ML in the oughts, it was quite clear that the ML Renaissance was made possible by ignoring romantic ideas about human or expert level performance, and choosing operational criteria around improvement at specific tasks. People building PGMs or complex MCMc models rarely discussed whether larger versions of their models could think. Perhaps early uncertainty about how some DL methods worked opened the door to magical thinking about the possibilities of massive nets.

I think AGI should be thought of as an artistic or poetic interest, which can align with and comment on scientific progress, but is not actually part of the main research dialogue.

Re:Deep learning: a critical appraisal by danso on Saturday June 02, 2018 @07:09PM (#17216912)
I think the parent commenter doesn't assume that the creation of AGI is necessarily "something better".
Re:Deep learning: a critical appraisal by seanmcdirmid on Saturday June 02, 2018 @07:18PM (#17216952)
Better is always subjective of course. Smarter could be better, or energy efficiency per thought.
Re:Deep learning: a critical appraisal by goatlover on Saturday June 02, 2018 @10:32PM (#17217609)
And better depends on what one values. Intelligence and efficiency are only two of the things humans value, and it's debate-able how much they're valued against happiness, relationships, status or finding meaning in life. Efficiency isn't a metric to use in personal relationships, for example.