Re:Gnome has moved to GitLab
by baud147258 on Friday June 01, 2018 @05:47AM
(#17203891)
Link for Jwz's cadt post
https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html
(edit: I didn't see it was already posted below)
Re:Gnome has moved to GitLab
by anowlcalledjosh on Friday June 01, 2018 @09:04AM
(#17204878)
Quick reminder: JWZ despises HN, so you'll need to copy-paste that link in order to remove the referrer header.
Is there a blog post or something that kind of gives an overview on why JWZ hates HN? I'm really curious to learn about the animosity.
Re:Gnome has moved to GitLab
by TheRealDunkirk on Friday June 01, 2018 @09:26AM
(#17205041)
I'm not saying the bridge has been repaired, but clicking that link doesn't seem to redirect to... THAT... image any more.
FYI - For me it auto-redirects to: https://imgur.com/32R3qLv
Re:Gnome has moved to GitLab
by baud147258 on Friday June 01, 2018 @09:57AM
(#17205343)
I tested the link, but I didn't get the redirect. I would have added the warning if it happened to me.
This could be fixed with rel="noreferrer noopener" added to the links, would that be a beneficial addition to HN?
Re:Gnome has moved to GitLab
by workinthehead on Friday June 01, 2018 @08:52AM
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Bug reporters who can't even be arsed to follow up or check in on their reports aren't worth nearly as much as you seem to think they are.
Re:Gnome has moved to GitLab
by freehunter on Friday June 01, 2018 @09:01AM
(#17204848)
True, but on the other hand bugs can go unfixed for years, with developers ignoring them or prioritizing them super ultra low. I know I've opened enough bug reports over the years that I can't go back and check on all of them, but I'm still hoping they'll get fixed some day.
If it's closed for "inactivity" while I'm actively waiting for a response from the developer, that's going to annoy me.
What exactly do you mean by "actively waiting"? Is your act of waiting actively in any way perceivable to anyone but yourself?
Re:Gnome has moved to GitLab
by freehunter on Friday June 01, 2018 @04:17PM
(#17209741)
As opposed to having forgotten about it. As in, if the developer responded, Github would send me an email and I would jump back into the conversation. As in I can't do anything more until the developer responds, but once they do I'm ready to help.
There's a quick and easy way to tell if someone is actively waiting: respond to them.
The reports may still be relevant. If the problem is easily reproducible or even just well described, a bug report should be useful independent of the activity or further engagement of the reporter.
Why would you "check in" in the presence of e-mail notifications of new developments? Most projects also don't like it if you post "bug still exists" every few months.
Re:Gnome has moved to GitLab
by workinthehead on Friday June 01, 2018 @12:21PM
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Reading email notifications would count as checking in, I don't know why you assumed otherwise.
The parent explicitly mentioned that they did not get the e-mail notification they were supposed to get, suggesting they were subscribed to the issues. So if waiting for e-mail counts your criticism doesn't seem to apply.
The only notice I received was after-the-fact. Sorry.
Learning of GNOME'S cavalier attitude toward user reports and eventual product direction was exactly why I moved off the platform in the intervening years. I had high hopes when I was young and naive.
I realize GNOME is volunteer-based with a pillar of corporate backing from Red Hat and similar, but it strikes me as botched that if enough will existed to migrate to GitLab, an endeavor that requires serious engineering hours of research and planning and execution, that nobody could have said: let's query and build a list of unique email addresses from bug reporters and personally email them once with a quick letter, letting them know what they need to do. Compared to the actual migration, that is drops in a bathtub. Simple due diligence for user-facing goodwill.
I want to be sympathetic — really.
JWZ's CADT supposition has a lot of explanatory power here combined with the opportunity to "scrub a lot of bugs quickly".