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Re:Amazon follows Google and Apple and bans system-wide ad b... by PaulHoule on Thursday May 31, 2018 @12:56PM (#17197914)
Hypothetically it pays for the content. I think practically most content gets ripped off and copied and has ads slapped on it. If you are using a programming language (say Python) that has useful documentation (Clojure is a counterexample; just buy Rick's book.) you are almost always better off looking up things in the manual because Google surfaces advertising sites that add nothing but mistakes, omissions, broken English, etc. I think of how 80% of the Python answers on stack overflow have something like "print x" and won't work on Py 3.

It is hard to find content which is really worthwhile on the advertising supported web. The very nature of it is that valuable content is devalued relative to spam. Like Gresham's law, bad content drives out good.

Re:Amazon follows Google and Apple and bans system-wide ad b... by s73v3r_ on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:26PM (#17198240)
That's never happened to me, at least with Python. Usually one of the first links is right to Python's own documentation.
Re:Amazon follows Google and Apple and bans system-wide ad b... by HillaryBriss on Thursday May 31, 2018 @02:10PM (#17198617)
i dunno. i've had reasonably good luck on StackOverflow for android related questions. given Google's sometimes inconsistent/irregular APIs and documentation, and a certain amount of bugginess, Android devs would have a lot harder time without SO.

but, your comment highlights a kind of surprising reality about ad dollars and Google. i mean, StackOverflow captures a significant quantity of ad money from Android related content because, in the early days of Android development, Google itself directed Android developers to StackOverflow.

Re:Amazon follows Google and Apple and bans system-wide ad b... by dredmorbius on Thursday May 31, 2018 @02:49PM (#17198954)
No, it doesn't, and that's one of the most pernicious myths.

1. It's not free. Advertising is a $600 billion industry annually, with online over a sixth of that. This is largely imposed on the wealthier billion global inhabitants, so figure roughly $600 overall or $100 for Internet, per person, per year, if you live in the EU, US, JP, CA, AU, NZ.

2. Good content goes wanting. Advertising seeks to maximise eyeballs, not content quality. Good sites go wanting: LWN, Linux Journal, Nautilus, just off the top of my head. Markets and information are a poor match.

Unless you omitted a sarcasm tag?

Re:Amazon follows Google and Apple and bans system-wide ad b... by fauigerzigerk on Thursday May 31, 2018 @03:35PM (#17199395)
And yet if everything was a pay service we would lose all anonymity and poor people would get locked out of everything.

Doesn't mean advertising is unproblematic. It clearly isn't. But it's not completely one sided either, not even in terms of privacy.

Re:Amazon follows Google and Apple and bans system-wide ad b... by dredmorbius on Thursday May 31, 2018 @05:29PM (#17200470)
False dichotomy. There are other options.

https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/1uotb3/a_modes...

Information is a pure public good. Finance it as such.

Joseph Stiglitz, "Knowledge as a Global Public Good," in Global Public Goods: International Cooperation in the 21st Century, Inge Kaul, Isabelle Grunberg, Marc A. Stern (eds.), United Nations Development Programme, New York: Oxford University Press, 1999, pp. 308-325.

http://s1.downloadmienphi.net/file/downloadfile6/151/1384343...

Re:Amazon follows Google and Apple and bans system-wide ad b... by fauigerzigerk on Thursday May 31, 2018 @06:21PM (#17200844)
>False dichotomy. There are other options.

I didn't say there were no other options. I just criticised the one option we would very likely end up with by default if advertising were to be curbed somehow.

Re:Amazon follows Google and Apple and bans system-wide ad b... by pavel_lishin on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:07PM (#17198040)
Shitty ad network injects malware while I'm browsing. Who does that pay?
Re:Amazon follows Google and Apple and bans system-wide ad b... by rdiddly on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:08PM (#17198051)
Ad creates costly low quality internet
Re:Amazon follows Google and Apple and bans system-wide ad b... by downrightmike on Thursday May 31, 2018 @12:48PM (#17197818)
What world are you in? I have a Cox cable and AT&T bill for just internet/data.
Re:Amazon follows Google and Apple and bans system-wide ad b... by s73v3r_ on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:27PM (#17198251)
That bill pays for bandwidth. It doesn't pay a cent for content.
Re:Amazon follows Google and Apple and bans system-wide ad b... by dictum on Thursday May 31, 2018 @12:57PM (#17197930)
Maybe I'm too bitter and jaded to fully appreciate the joys of the status quo, but I'd add at least one adverb between "Ad" and "pays", and remove three words between "ur" and "internet" before agreeing with the sentence.
Re:Amazon follows Google and Apple and bans system-wide ad b... by rebelde on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:20PM (#17198170)
See all those downvotes you are getting? Thoughts like this are not welcome here on on HN. I agree with you, but I stay silent most of the time to avoid getting downvoted.
Re:Amazon follows Google and Apple and bans system-wide ad b... by dahart on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:39PM (#17198357)
> Thoughts like this are not welcome here on on HN

Allow me to gently disagree. The comment above is dismissive and makes assumptions, both of which the HN guidelines suggest avoiding. It also doesn't offer any supporting evidence.

If the comment had some supporting argument, if it made a strong case that ads are economically necessary, and if it contributed to the discussion in a positive way, it might be upvoted instead.

It's very easy to dismiss downvotes as cliquish disagreement or tribal behavior, but doing that won't help you learn. It's much better to assume votes are being cast for legitimate reasons and ask yourself when you see or get downvotes if the comment in question is really the best way the idea could have been presented. It's very easy in written text to say something in a way that comes off very different and much more negative than you intended.

I encourage you to share your thoughts rather than stay silent, but to also stay positive, and be conscious of assumption and conscious of style.

Re:Amazon follows Google and Apple and bans system-wide ad b... by rebelde on Thursday May 31, 2018 @05:14PM (#17200347)
The person certainly could have expressed himself better. You seem a lot more eloquent. You might be able to make counter-points much better than I can.
Re:Amazon follows Google and Apple and bans system-wide ad b... by hobs on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:40PM (#17198368)
Those downvotes are because the internet existed before ads, and its factually incorrect.

If you feel like giving a more nuanced opinion with some arguments (eg, free content via ad supported model is better than the others because blah), you might find the downvotes dont come as fast and furious.