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Re:Facebook Tools Are Used to Screen Out Older Job Seekers, ... by astura on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @01:04PM (#17180998)
The GP said "older devs" but what they are talking about isn't age, they are talking about skills and experience level.

Everything is discrimination - if you're seeking to hire a software engineer you're probably going to discriminate against people who don't know how to code, people with low IQs, people who can't get along with the team, etc.

The question becomes, is the discrimination legal and/or ethical and based on actual business needs? If the GP noticed they can get a seasoned developer for only slightly above the price of a jr developer (who sees themselves as "senior") , that doesn't really seem like immoral discrimination to me, especially if they are more than willing to also hire jr engineers at jr engineer prices. Most places cant, for business reasons, survive alone solely on senior engineers.

(Interestingly enough, in the US, discrimination based on age because "old people are stupid" is illegal whereas discrimination on age based on "young people are stupid" is not.)

Re:Facebook Tools Are Used to Screen Out Older Job Seekers, ... by paulddraper on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @01:50PM (#17181407)
Once upon a time "discrimination" had positive connotations, e.g. "he has discriminating tastes".

Somehow the word has been twisted to be almost exclusively negative.

But show me an organization that doesn't discriminate, and I'll show you an organization of utter incompetence.

Re:Facebook Tools Are Used to Screen Out Older Job Seekers, ... by fixermark on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @02:51PM (#17181945)
The "somehow" is no mystery; discriminatory practice was (and still is) used to stack the deck against people in the United States based on the color of their skin for hundreds of years.

"President" was chosen as the title of the head of the US Executive Branch because it was a title with nearly no prestige; it was the sort of name you'd give to the Robert's Rules enforcer for community meetings. Words take on a connotation history provides them.

Re:Facebook Tools Are Used to Screen Out Older Job Seekers, ... by paulddraper on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @07:26PM (#17183628)
Not a complete mystery, but also leaves English without a good substitute.

"Differentiation" is the word I have to use now.

Re:Facebook Tools Are Used to Screen Out Older Job Seekers, ... by geomark on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @09:45PM (#17184359)
The word "judge" has become like that, too. "How dare you judge people" is a common rage. But having good judgement is critical for your very existence, that is, you must judge everything you come into contact with. Making good judgements can literally mean the difference between life and death. And making judgements about the people you engage with, i.e. judging them, can mean the difference between happiness and misery.
Re:Facebook Tools Are Used to Screen Out Older Job Seekers, ... by jancsika on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @10:00PM (#17184431)
> Somehow the word has been twisted to be almost exclusively negative.

Webster gives pride of place to both the transitive and intransitive definitions that could fit your "once upon a time" definition.[1]

Furthermore, of the six definitions given, five are what I'd consider a trait or ability that is wholly positive to possess. Only the 2nd definition for the intransitive form has a negative connotation.

> But show me an organization that doesn't discriminate, and I'll show you an organization of utter incompetence.

Any organization that isn't utterly incompetent would avoid using the ambiguous word "discriminate" in place of the unambiguous phrase "use good judgment."

Also, HR is just one tiny and narrow domain of human affairs. Music, writing, even dating see way more use of the positive definitions of "discriminate."

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discriminate

Re:Facebook Tools Are Used to Screen Out Older Job Seekers, ... by paulddraper on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:29PM (#17189092)
> Webster gives pride of place

In practice, discrimination has largely negative connotations https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/183093/is-there-...

> "use good judgment."

"The screening exercise _____ aggressively."

* "The screening exercise uses good judgement aggressively." Awkward.

* "The screening exercise filters aggressively." No implication that choice is based on the candidate's characteristics instead of random chance.

* "The screening exercise distinguishes aggressively". Sounds odd, plus has positive rather than neutral connotations.

* "The screening exercise differentiates aggressively " Best one, though it doesn't hint at the pass/fail nature of the distinction.