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Re:Will Kubernetes Collapse Under the Weight of Its Complexity? by pavlov on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @02:51AM (#17176988)
The overemphasis on products is a real problem because it makes the industry so susceptible to marketing snake-oil.

Who would trust a doctor who proclaims his expertise in terms of brand names: "I've got ten years of experience in Cipro and Amoxil. Lately I've been prescribing Zithromax too! It's exciting to write that big Z. I really like Pfizer's community, their Slack is so helpful."

Re:Will Kubernetes Collapse Under the Weight of Its Complexity? by hennsen on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @04:56AM (#17177500)
Basically yes, if employers/customers only look for products and not general experience and signs of being a good crafts(wo)man it’s not useful.

On the other hand, someone who already worked with 10 Languages, 7 webframeworks and 5 deployment/config management tools plus showing good craftmanship has enough experience to learn one more of these quickly. Only for a short term gig, the learning/being productive relation could be disproportional.

I‘ve experienced it being habdled rather the latter than the former way and don’t remember not getting a job for having not yet worked with one of these tools, but bei g chosen for experience and quality work.

Re:Will Kubernetes Collapse Under the Weight of Its Complexity? by zachlatta on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @04:41AM (#17177413)
We trust surgeons who proclaim expertise in specific named procedures.

Whether we like it or not, software engineering is becoming a trade. Trades aren't inherently low skill or high skill.

Re:Will Kubernetes Collapse Under the Weight of Its Complexity? by hliyan on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @04:51AM (#17177474)
Who are also heavily trained in the physiology of the organs they operate on, long before they're allowed anywhere near a scalpel.

What you say about trades is true, but then we need to start making the distinction between software engineers and software technicians. I doubt that will go down well in an industry where everyone wants to be a senior software engineer, a tech lead or higher...

Re:Will Kubernetes Collapse Under the Weight of Its Complexity? by xtracto on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @07:11PM (#17183562)
Interesting, in Mexico we do have that difference: We have got an "Informatics Technician" ( http://cecytev.edu.mx/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Informatica... ) and Informatics Licenciate ( http://www.uabc.mx/formacionbasica/FichasPE/Lic_en_Informati... ) with all the flavours (Software Engineer, CompSci, etc).

I only wish that Informatics Technicial would be more prepared. And that Software Engineers/Licenciates would really be worth their salt.

Re:Will Kubernetes Collapse Under the Weight of Its Complexity? by bryanrasmussen on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @04:59AM (#17177515)
I'm thinking the physiology of the organs might be less complicated than understanding a modern applications at all levels of the stack.

Maybe that would be understanding the organs, the underlying physical processes those organs regulate, the chemicals that are released as parts of those processes, and the effects and composition of those chemicals, and if it is possible to induce similar effects through replacement chemicals in the way of medication.

Re:Will Kubernetes Collapse Under the Weight of Its Complexity? by ghthor on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @07:53AM (#17178260)
I'd say the complexity is quite similar, but that technology is more well defined then biology. Each area can still be segmented into to layers of understanding. For instance I have very little experience with machine level programming, but I have a general idea abiut how the disk, ram, cpu and cache are connected. Enough information to design fast programs, but not enough to re engineer that layer myself. Above that layer I am well experienced all the way to configuring high level software packages. Below that layer, circuit design maybe, I am basically in the dark.

Biology is not much different, though there schooling seems to do a better job at exposing the student to all the layers we know about.