Re:Student makes history with human-powered ‘flapping-wing’ ...
by alex_c on Wednesday September 22, 2010 @06:13PM
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Went to school with Todd - he was one of those people who always seemed to have the energy and the dedication to be involved in every extracurricular activity out there, while getting top grades in arguably Canada's most challenging engineering program, and being an incredibly nice guy to boot.
Re:Student makes history with human-powered ‘flapping-wing’ ...
by jjcm on Wednesday September 22, 2010 @04:28PM
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I suppose my question here is such: Does the flapping actually generate enough lift to both sustain and initiate flight? We've had gliders that can stay afloat for ages with the right thermals, but they (like we see in this video as well) require something powered to get them started. It's beautiful, yes, but from what I can see in the video it looks like it's almost entirely aesthetics.
Re:Student makes history with human-powered ‘flapping-wing’ ...
by faramarz on Wednesday September 22, 2010 @04:37PM
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I'll quote a comment made on the article
"There is a minimum requirement for flight which
it met. That involves maintaining altitude and
speed over a certain period of time, whereas in
a glide you either lose speed to maintain altitude
until stall or lose altitude to maintain speed until ground.
The flyer maintained and even appeared to gain
altitude after the pull cord was released from the car
and maintained speed throughout the flight. If you are
wondering how I get this from the video, it's because
I am familiar with the researchers who did this."
Re:Student makes history with human-powered ‘flapping-wing’ ...
by pepijndevos on Wednesday September 22, 2010 @04:47PM
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A good glider can easily do dozens of meters while losing only one meter in height(I flew one), so it is impossible to tell from the shaky video. But if he knows those guys and tells the truth, awesome!
Re:Student makes history with human-powered ‘flapping-wing’ ...
by pedalpete on Wednesday September 22, 2010 @03:47PM
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Not to downplay the importance of what they've done, but that video shows a plane gliding, accelerated by a car.
Wouldn't they need to show lift via the flapping of wings to show that it isn't a glider with wings that flap, but rather the flapping of wings is actually creating lift?
Re:Student makes history with human-powered ‘flapping-wing’ ...
by faramarz on Wednesday September 22, 2010 @04:00PM
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Cabin has wheels under it. I think in an ideal environment, for example a runway, he could have created lift by just flapping the wings with enough speed over a certain period of time.
Re:Student makes history with human-powered ‘flapping-wing’ ...
by wwortiz on Wednesday September 22, 2010 @09:50PM
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Actually it really looks as though the wings only provide lift and that acceleration provided by the car could not be achieved otherwise and the forward movement could not be achieved therefore making it rather unlikely that the plane would lift off the ground on its own.
Still rather amazing and a very beautiful machine.
Re:Student makes history with human-powered ‘flapping-wing’ ...
by anigbrowl on Wednesday September 22, 2010 @05:24PM
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I'm not clear on what benefit it would offer over a glider or microlite. Not that I have anything against quirky projects for their own sake, but since he is a PhD candidate I imagine he must have some applications in mind beyond the aesthetic ones emphasized in the article.
Project information and research links are interesting but not very informative: http://hpo.ornithopter.net/
Re:Student makes history with human-powered ‘flapping-wing’ ...
by lotharbot on Wednesday September 22, 2010 @06:47PM
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I'm not sure why you'd expect a PhD candidate to necessarily have a practical application in mind.
The idea of human-powered machines that mimic bird flight has been around since ancient times (recall the myth of Daedalus), and there have been several attempts to actually build one over the last thousand years or so. This appears to be the first ever successful flight of its type. Given the history behind it, it would not be the least bit surprising if this is being done just for its own sake.
Re:Student makes history with human-powered ‘flapping-wing’ ...
by anigbrowl on Wednesday September 22, 2010 @08:11PM
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Not for the ornithopter itself, I just there'd be technical discussions of airflow over a moving wing or minimum change in the angle of attack required to generate a certain amount of lift...seems like the sort of thing that might be useful to helicopter rotor designers or so.
Re:Student makes history with human-powered ‘flapping-wing’ ...
by forgottenpaswrd on Wednesday September 22, 2010 @04:31PM
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That's a beautiful glider. But not human powered, it is car powered with strings attached. If you hear the wind sound, it seems they are using wind to lift too.
Re:Student makes history with human-powered ‘flapping-wing’ ...
by dangrossman on Wednesday September 22, 2010 @07:33PM
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It looked like it was pulled by a car until it was airborne, then you saw and heard the cord disconnect and the plane continue to fly on its own power as the car with the cameraman drove off at a slight angle.
Not surprised to see his name in the news :)
The wings really are flapping like a bird!
My sources include dusty memories and Wikipedia, so... grains of salt all around.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_in_aircraft
It looks beautiful anyway though.
If you own one of those X-twin foam planes, try mounting wheels on them. They only take of from tables and such, not form the ground.
Wouldn't they need to show lift via the flapping of wings to show that it isn't a glider with wings that flap, but rather the flapping of wings is actually creating lift?
Still rather amazing and a very beautiful machine.
Project information and research links are interesting but not very informative: http://hpo.ornithopter.net/
The idea of human-powered machines that mimic bird flight has been around since ancient times (recall the myth of Daedalus), and there have been several attempts to actually build one over the last thousand years or so. This appears to be the first ever successful flight of its type. Given the history behind it, it would not be the least bit surprising if this is being done just for its own sake.
See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornithopter http://www.flyingmachines.org/davi.html
History is not made yet.