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Re:Life and death on a superyacht by eric_h on Saturday May 26, 2018 @08:03PM (#17164830)
I was once invited by (and paid for by) a billionaire investor in the company I worked for to a resort in the Bahamas patroned exclusively by the rich and famous. The extent of the service offered by the (mostly black, Bahamian staff) — appearing, disappearing and offering way more attentive assistance than any reasonable person needs made me downright uncomfortable. It was lovely to be in paradise, but being waited on hand and foot just seemed wretchedly excessive.

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Re:Life and death on a superyacht by kkielhofner on Saturday May 26, 2018 @08:36PM (#17164898)
It probably varies by person but I've experienced a version of this at Four Seasons and Ritz properties. On one hand I respect the incredible training, homogenization, attention to detail, etc. It really is amazing - impossible to compare their level of service to any other chain/organization at that price point (top 1%, not 0.01%).

On the other hand after about a day or so and the novelty wears off it starts to seem a little "creepy" in a Stepford Wives/Get Out/etc kind of way... On a couple of occasions I was so uncomfortable I literally pulled someone aside and said "Come on, level with me dude. This isn't real. You don't really talk like this." In most cases they would respond with something along the lines of "Sir, I'm sorry but I don't know what you're referring to". It never quite rang as genuine but I couldn't help but wonder if the staff is trained or programmed.

I know some people/families/etc who have never experienced lodging, accommodation, service, etc at any lesser level and it made me really wonder how aware they are of the bubble they're in (and how strange it really is).

Re:Life and death on a superyacht by nerdponx on Saturday May 26, 2018 @09:06PM (#17164982)
I think some people actually take pride in being able to provide that kind of service. I'm not sure how many of them actually fall into that category.
Re:Life and death on a superyacht by kkielhofner on Saturday May 26, 2018 @10:46PM (#17165212)
Some people definitely do and I've encountered many of them in high end dining (as an example). However, the experiences I've had with staff at these properties are totally unlike that.

Probably the closest comparison I can make are the well-known rules for Disney employees. Every employee on Disney property is essentially in costume and portraying a character, whether they're in a physical costume or not - to the point where every employee is referred to as a "cast member".

These brands have their systems, procedure, and process down to the point where virtually no personality or individualism is expressed by individual staff. Excellent for service and experience, but as referenced in my original comment, it can kind of cross over into "uncanny valley" territory and get unsettling.

Re:Life and death on a superyacht by Silhouette on Saturday May 26, 2018 @09:49PM (#17165088)
I'm quite sure some some people do take pride in providing that level of service. There have been some fascinating fly-on-the-wall documentaries in the world of ultra-high net worth individuals recently -- top-end hotels, exclusive services you'd never imagine existed, and so on. Some of the people interviewed seemed to be genuinely happy, and often proud of what they did and their ability to satisfy obscure requests or handle strange emergencies or pay extraordinary attention to details.

It also wasn't uncommon for people in low-ranking jobs to be asked if they'd like to swap places with their clients and practically fall over themselves to say no. As one of the cleaners at a world-class London hotel said, she doesn't earn as much in a year as her current guest earns in an hour, and the bed does look comfy, but at least when her work is done for the day she won't need to be surrounded by security guards before she can even leave the building.

Re:Life and death on a superyacht by B1FF_PSUVM on Sunday May 27, 2018 @05:13AM (#17166156)
Sword of Damocles right there.
Re:Life and death on a superyacht by lkrubner on Sunday May 27, 2018 @09:42AM (#17166855)
"Sir, I'm sorry but I don't know what you're referring to"."

In WestWorld the androids say "That doesn't look like anything to me." Art imitates life, and sometimes life imitates art.

Re:Life and death on a superyacht by WillReplyfFood on Sunday May 27, 2018 @01:31AM (#17165568)
I think beeing in this kind of bubble for to long, automatically generates the perspective that you are the center of attention for the whole universe.

My grandfather had a nanny/servant, who had to do whatever the spoiled brat asked for. The result was a person, who automatically assumes that all other beeings have not meaning or intent and are in dire need of beeing pupeteered.

Its the sort of disgusting human beeing you regularly find to be CEO. Its one of the reasons they are also so fascinated with art- because art can not be created by pupeteering- as they are usually quite unimaginative.

Re:Life and death on a superyacht by ggg9990 on Sunday May 27, 2018 @02:27AM (#17165760)
I think Americans particularly dislike this obsequious type of service. People from other countries love it. Steve Jobs famously had very little household help and their family did their own household chores for a very simple reason that he couldn’t buy his way out of — he didn’t like strangers in his fucking house all the time. The best writing on this is of course David Foster Wallace for Harper’s.
Re:Life and death on a superyacht by closeparen on Sunday May 27, 2018 @03:30AM (#17165914)
Agatha Christie: “As a child I never dreamed that I would be so poor that I could not afford a servant, not so rich as to own a motor car.”

This varies widely around the world. I lived with an international student who was definitely from an upper middle class family but not a billionaire by any means; the family had several household staff, and that was just a normal luxury in the way that an American family might have a dishwasher.

Re:Life and death on a superyacht by ggg9990 on Sunday May 27, 2018 @01:40PM (#17168054)
I can’t speak for all Americans, but in New England most people would rather spend $5000 on a dishwasher than $4000 on lifetime dishwashing services from a person. I don’t want someone in my house and putting away dishes isn’t so agonizing that I need to avoid it.
Re:Life and death on a superyacht by closeparen on Sunday May 27, 2018 @01:58PM (#17168154)
I also wouldn’t want to live with my extended family in the same house. I’m guessing that past a point, home is more of an active communal space than a private retreat, so what’s a few more people?
Re:Life and death on a superyacht by Lewton on Sunday May 27, 2018 @07:20AM (#17166452)
As a European currently in the states

What the f are you talking about

We’re completely creeped out by the toilet assistants that no one bats an eye at.... And you’re the country where some states won’t let you pump your own gas

Steve jobs and David foster Wallace is seen as outsiders, to claim they represent the attitude of Americans is absurd

Re:Life and death on a superyacht by ggg9990 on Sunday May 27, 2018 @01:38PM (#17168042)
I wasn’t really talking about Europeans as the people who love it. More like China, India, Latin America.
Re:Life and death on a superyacht by hessenwolf on Sunday May 27, 2018 @07:15AM (#17166440)
But American service is very arse-licking, no? The tip culture means that every waitstaff is smiling and flirting with you.

I miss German, "fuck you, give me your order", wait service.

Re:Life and death on a superyacht by krisdol on Sunday May 27, 2018 @08:07AM (#17166564)
It is. Tipping culture incentivizes American service to get you out the door and free up your table for the next group. The wait staff are also constantly coming by the table to refill things or ask you to spend more money on more drinks and food. If you don’t, the check is next. This behavior is seen as perfectly normal in the states, but I’d consider it much inferior to the German environment where you get to enjoy your food and your company and if you ever need anything, just motion the waiter over.
Re:Life and death on a superyacht by lkrubner on Sunday May 27, 2018 @09:45AM (#17166863)
In the USA, in restaurants, the wait staff get most of their income from tips. Because of this, they are ridiculously obsequious. Female wait staff tolerate a grotesque amount of sexual harassment, because if they complain then they lose their income. Compare that to the wait staff in Europe, which does not expect tips and who do not depend on tips for their income.
Re:Life and death on a superyacht by jonhendry18 on Sunday May 27, 2018 @07:26AM (#17166469)
"Steve Jobs famously had very little household help"

Presumably that would not have been as true on the family yacht.

Re:Life and death on a superyacht by dweekly on Saturday May 26, 2018 @08:09PM (#17164850)
You may find this short piece by David Foster Wallace amusing on the same theme: https://harpers.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/HarpersMagazi...
Re:Life and death on a superyacht by dougmwne on Sunday May 27, 2018 @06:36AM (#17166338)
Thanks for sharing this. It contains an insightful critic of native advertising starting at the end of page 9 that's doubbly worth a read.
Re:Life and death on a superyacht by ryanwaggoner on Saturday May 26, 2018 @09:22PM (#17165025)
Genuinely not trying to sound like an asshole, but do you mean "wretchedly"?
Re:Life and death on a superyacht by eric_h on Saturday May 26, 2018 @09:47PM (#17165085)
Yes. Brain fart.
Re:Life and death on a superyacht by Gruklair on Sunday May 27, 2018 @12:56AM (#17165491)
You just need to get used to it. Its hard to find anything really exclusive near Silicon Valley, so we usually go to Macau once in a while.