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Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by int_19h on Friday May 25, 2018 @08:01AM (#17152718)
An example of monopolistic Google behavior was when they refused to make a YouTube app for any Windows platform (Win8, and later Win10) - which is fine - but then they also blocked the app that Microsoft itself has developed. Because they control access to YouTube as a service, they could do that. And because YouTube is the place for videos on the Net, it hurt the platform pretty bad.
Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by beavis2 on Friday May 25, 2018 @08:12AM (#17152787)
Despite the two companies collaborating on an app based on HTML5, Microsoft's app is still breaking YouTube's terms of use.

"Microsoft has not made the browser upgrades necessary to enable a fully-featured YouTube experience, and has instead re-released a YouTube app that violates our Terms of Service - It has been disabled. We value our broad developer community and therefore ask everyone to adhere to the same guidelines"

https://www.theverge.com/2013/8/15/4624706/google-blocks-win...

My impression was Microsoft being arrogant. Besides, Windows 8/10 users could still access YT via web.

Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by jrs95 on Friday May 25, 2018 @08:33AM (#17152957)
Google intentionally ignores issues Edge/IE users have with their products because they want them to switch to Chrome. This isn’t an issue of Microsoft making “browser upgrades”, it’s an issue of Google developing to and supporting Chrome and ignoring the rest of the web.
Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by vorpalhex on Friday May 25, 2018 @10:01AM (#17153762)
For some products this makes sense, because Edge has made some questionable choices to either not support some standards, or have their own flavor of them (see WebRTC).

No offense, but I won't support Edge on some stuff I build because very few people use it, and it's too much of a snowflake in some areas.

Note that this doesn't apply to general apps and sites, which should work with Edge more or less out of the box. I'm speaking specifically to cases where the Edge team has decided to ignore a standard and choose their business priorities over consistency.

Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by jenscow on Friday May 25, 2018 @08:52AM (#17153145)
Your gripe with Google can be firmly applied to Microsoft.

However, I believe this instance was more a case of Microsoft scraping/ripping the youtube site, rather than continuing to collaborate with Google.

I'm sure if you or I did something like that, it would be blocked.

Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by reitanqild on Friday May 25, 2018 @09:33AM (#17153499)
Same behaviour as Microsoft was punished for 15 years or so ago.

I really (at least used to) like Google but as a web developer/user who cares about competition who cares about the web ecosystem I'm starting to hope that relevant EU and US authorities will issue them a non-trivial fine for:

- intentionally working to destroy the third option on mobile phones as described above

- time and time again make their products feel slow in competing browsers

- abuse their position as the worlds most visited (?) website && ad reseller to advertise their own browser in a misleading way

Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by fron on Friday May 25, 2018 @08:41AM (#17153036)
I don't blame anyone if they don't want to support Edge/IE. Microsoft's browsers are horrible to develop for. Personally I'd be much happier if more of my users would switch to Chrome.
Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by noxToken on Friday May 25, 2018 @09:14AM (#17153332)
I haven't tried to write extensions for Edge or anything like that, but have you recently developed for Edge or even IE11? I've run into a few minor warts (minor as in a 5-minutes fix) with IE11, but it's been smooth sailing with Edge. Mobile FireFox has comparatively been a nightmare in spite of MDN's wonderful docs.
Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by jrs95 on Friday May 25, 2018 @09:26AM (#17153452)
Edge extensions use the same new standard as Firefox, it shouldn’t be that bad.
Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by jenscow on Friday May 25, 2018 @08:56AM (#17153183)
I understand how you feel, but no.

Having been a FF/NS/Mozilla browser user since the 90s, I know it's not nice to be treated like a 2nd class citizen. However, unlike the current Edge/IE users, I made a choice.

Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by beagle3 on Friday May 25, 2018 @05:03PM (#17157962)
The IE/Edge users also made a choice.

Not voting is a choice. Not educating yourself is a choice.

Choices have consequences.

Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by nodja on Friday May 25, 2018 @08:35AM (#17152971)
This is a bad example. MS was just using the video stream directly instead of using the youtube player code that takes care of things like annotations, ads, cards, etc.

A better example is the amazon-google kerfuffle over chromecast/amazon devices. Can't recall who "started" it, but the end results is that amazon doesn't sell chromecast/google home, and google blocks youtube from amazon devices. Yes amazon initially did like MS, but eventually had a proper implementation and google still blocked it.

Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by pjc50 on Friday May 25, 2018 @09:51AM (#17153668)
No, it's a good example; why is the app obliged to show ads any more than browsers aren't?
Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by brazzledazzle on Friday May 25, 2018 @10:24AM (#17153980)
Because the browsers (users actually) are, but it’s not practical to send a cease and desist for a TOS violation to every user.
Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by trothamel on Friday May 25, 2018 @02:41PM (#17156712)
No, they're not. User choice over what a browser loads has been part of the web from the very beginning.
Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by rightos on Friday May 25, 2018 @08:14AM (#17152806)
Didn't that Microsoft app not show YouTube ads? Seems like a pretty different scenario when you're ripping another company off.
Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by StaticRedux on Friday May 25, 2018 @03:04PM (#17156896)
I may be wrong, but from what I remember, it didn't show add because Google refused to allow access to the official API in order to show ads. It kind of forced Microsoft's hand.
Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by braythwayt on Friday May 25, 2018 @10:57AM (#17154314)
I detest all of the apps Google makes for iOS because they are very careful not to implement any of the features that differentiate the way an iOS app works than an app on any other platform.

For example, none of the Google apps I have on my iPad support split-screen.

Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by gramstrong on Friday May 25, 2018 @11:12AM (#17154429)
Android has had split-screen for a while (and anecdotally, it works with google apps)...just sayin'
Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by braythwayt on Friday May 25, 2018 @11:22AM (#17154558)
Weird. Then I can only assume that iOS is buggy in some way ;-)
Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by danso on Friday May 25, 2018 @08:36AM (#17152985)
How is that a monopoly? I guess I may be in the minority but I have never used an app for YouTube on a desktop environment.
Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by bilbo0s on Friday May 25, 2018 @08:16AM (#17152820)
Touché.

When I calm down and think about it a bit, the original commenter's assertion that apple controls the app market is also flawed. I haven't checked the data lately myself, but I believe that most people use apps on android phones. (It's probably just that not many people on android like to PAY. Which can't really be said to be apple's fault.)

Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by rijoja on Friday May 25, 2018 @08:23AM (#17152877)
Something tells me the ms app avoided showing ads
Re:Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ... by rhodysurf on Friday May 25, 2018 @08:05AM (#17152737)
You could still access YouTube through the web though couldn’t you?