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Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by HarryHirsch on Sunday May 20, 2018 @11:21PM (#17115948)
Inability to capture revenues from these sources makes infrastructure investment less attractive than it otherwise should be

You could also argue that this sort of infrastructure is best done by the government because it is best positioned to reap the benefits. Medieval historians would use the word Landesausbau. I understand that rural parts of Japan Railways are essentially enabling tourism.

Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by ComradeTaco on Sunday May 20, 2018 @11:36PM (#17115972)
Unfortunately every odd administration is hostile to the concept of anything outside of a car being useful for transportation and reflects that accordingly in funding.

If you're an advocate for transportation options, this is a good thing.

Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by pkaye on Sunday May 20, 2018 @11:50PM (#17116009)
Unfortunately lots of public projects seem to skyrocket in prices as they progress. Look at the high speed rail in California. Originally I think it was priced $10B and now it might be approaching $77B.
Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by ComradeTaco on Sunday May 20, 2018 @11:57PM (#17116028)
Right, there is a real and serious problem with public infrastructure costs massively ballooning, worse than any other developed country.

But on the other hand, if you don't build and replace infrastructure now, you're going to have tons of problems that have real, tangible costs. Imagine you're a patient with a disease, but you don't have health insurance and you know the cost is for treatment is high. You wait several years to get treated but the cost for treatment hasn't changed or is higher and you've suffered all that time.

That's our conundrum. We can choose to not treat the disease and that's been the choice of a fair number of public officials but it's only cost us.

Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by jacobush on Monday May 21, 2018 @04:21AM (#17116912)
Ballooning? Yes. More than other developed countries? Maybe. The new hospital in Stockholm cost like 2 Burj Khalifas and when opened was unusable due to design flaws and shoddy construction.
Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by isostatic on Monday May 21, 2018 @07:24AM (#17117542)
Depends how it's run. Look at crossrail, on time, on budget[0]

Sadly those that pay for crossrail are the workers who pay marginal tax rates of 45%, 55%, even higher than 70% in some cases, on the money their employer spends on them.

Those that benefit are the non-workers, who pay very little in tax (unearned income is taxed far less than earned income), and benfit from £5.5b increase in land value [1] from their monopolization of a common asset.

[0] https://www.civilserviceworld.com/articles/feature/crossrail... [1] http://www.crossrail.co.uk/news/articles/crossrail-predicted...

Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by walshemj on Monday May 21, 2018 @10:11AM (#17118476)
Not sure where you are coming from the highest marginal rate is I believe 60% there is an odd band around £110k for a few k

An I would love for my next job to be paid in London a similar to salaries FANG pay in SV (housing costs are about the same) and pay additional rate tax as that would give me a lot more options for pension contributions could max out my ISA that's 20k pa removed from any future tax.

Also when I buy RDSB (Shell) shares the dividend and capital gain I get is in return for risking my post tax money its defiantly not unearned income from my perspective.

Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by isostatic on Monday May 21, 2018 @12:29PM (#17119556)
Every £1138 that comes out of my department budget on my overtime, I keep £400 of (£138 employer NI, £20 employee NI, £400 income tax, £180 child tax). That's 65% tax. At £100k to £120k you keep 33%. With 4 kids between £50k and £60k you keep about 25% of the money.

At the "higher tax" threshold, you can earn an extra £118, but end up paying an extra £268 in tax as you lose married couple tax allowance -- i.e. do some overtime and end up with less money.

Meanwhile those who are wealthy and powerful enough to structure their earnings as capital gains pay a mere 28%

Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by walshemj on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @08:09AM (#17125305)
Ah "child tax" which is not a tax but a means tested benefit.

Sounds like your one of those people who earn enough several times the UK median wage to have some child benefit removed.

Ranting about people who put equity at risk and receive capital gains seems strange for such a high earner such as you why haven't you done salary a sacrifice into a pension.

Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by isostatic on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @01:18PM (#17127616)
1.85 times UK median wage (1.6 times the median for my age bracket). About the same as a train driver [0] [1]

If you look at households with two adults and two children, this kicks in just below the median [2]

The upshot is that I do £1k overtime, which costs my employer £1138, and I keep £400 My collegue who earns 50% as much as me keeps £600 My contractor collegue who is paid twice as much gets paid that £1138 and he keeps £682 My part time collegue who does 5 days a fortnight and gets paid more per day than I do keeps £670 (as does her husband who does the same shift pattern - so they have the same pre-tax household income but far more post-tax)

Not exactly progressive.

[0] https://www.virgintrainscareers.co.uk/VacancyInformation.asp... [1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/15/how-well-off-are... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/mar/25/uk-incomes-how...

Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by walshemj on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @02:29PM (#17128251)
BTW the median household income in the uk was £27,300 compared to a lot of people in the media/add industries in London you would have to get to director level to earn 60k+

I few years ago I was the lead technical resource for an in house consultancy at RELEX and solved major problems for house hold names and I got paid < 1/2 what a train driver does for a 4 day week.

You both need to realize you are lucky and also learn some maths you colleague who earn 50% less than you is not coming out ahead.

Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by isostatic on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @04:01AM (#17132171)
Household of £27k? That's Post Tax, and includes retirees, small householeds, and isn't adjusted for cost of living. 2 years ago household disposable income was £29,200 [0]. GDHI per head in 2015 was £19,106 each, or for a 2 adult family £38,212. And that of course is before you factor in housing costs.

A household with one earner on £50k has a post-tax income of £37k, 26% above average as a household, and lightly under average for the size of household.

My collegue who earns 50% less for 50% of the work does come out ahead. My household works 40 hours a week and gets £50k, her household works 40 hours a week and gets £50k. Our marginal tax rate is over 60%, theirs is 33%.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/08/17/britons-bett...

Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by dionidium on Monday May 21, 2018 @10:30AM (#17118620)
Right, but we also spend billions on automobile infrastructure and nobody complains at nearly the levels they do about one high-speed rail project. It's clearly not just the money. People are particularly critical of rail projects and particularly unconcerned about the cost of new highways.

Consider for example that every single American (at least) on this forum has heard about California high-speed rail and how much it costs, but I had never heard of this $8-billion highway project until I just googled "LA highway projects":

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-high-desert-fr...

Projects like that one are running all the time and nobody cares or complains.

Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by forapurpose on Monday May 21, 2018 @01:26AM (#17116324)
> lots of public projects seem to skyrocket in prices as they progress

So do lots of private projects. Large-scale projects in general have this problem. I'd like to see a comparison of private and public.

Also, at the end of a public project, the public owns valuable assets.

Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by pkaye on Monday May 21, 2018 @01:32AM (#17116347)
Can you give an example of a large scale private project with skyrocketing prices?
Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by tialaramex on Monday May 21, 2018 @03:23AM (#17116729)
Essentially all EDF Nuclear power plants? Apple's replacement for the classic Mac operating system scheduled for the mid-nineties as an internal project but eventually achieved by buying an entire OS company?

A large number of movies, split roughly equally between masterpieces like Alien and forgettable failures like Water World?

Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by isostatic on Monday May 21, 2018 @07:07AM (#17117480)
> forgettable failures like Water World?

I don't think anyone who was around in the 90s will forget Waterworld, just not for the reasons the studio wanted!

Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by ubernostrum on Monday May 21, 2018 @05:51AM (#17117226)
Almost any major corporate IT project?

The idea that the private sector is somehow more efficient at large-scale projects can only be believed by people who deliberately ignore the track record of large-scale private-sector projects.

Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by ceejayoz on Monday May 21, 2018 @03:42PM (#17121186)
https://www.computerworld.com/article/2533563/it-project-man...

> In 1993, FoxMeyer Drugs was the fourth largest distributor of pharmaceuticals in the U.S., worth $5 billion. In an attempt to increase efficiency, FoxMeyer purchased an SAP system and a warehouse automation system and hired Andersen Consulting to integrate and implement the two in what was supposed to be a $35 million project. By 1996, the company was bankrupt; it was eventually sold to a competitor for a mere $80 million.

> In 1998, two years after filing for bankruptcy, FoxMeyer sued Andersen and SAP for $500 million each, claiming it had paid twice the estimate to get the system in a quarter of the intended sites. The suits were settled and/or dismissed in 2004.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/2533563/it-project-man...

> Installed in 2003, the system promptly ran into what were then described as "horrendous" barcode-reading errors. Regardless, in 2005 the company claimed the system was operating as intended. Two years later, the entire project was scrapped, and Sainsbury's wrote off £150 million in IT costs. (That's $265,335,000 calculated by today's exchange rate, enough to buy a lot of groceries.)

Target's failed expansion to Canada makes for a fun read, too: http://www.canadianbusiness.com/the-last-days-of-target-cana...

Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by forapurpose on Monday May 21, 2018 @06:00PM (#17122225)
Speaking of dramatically inflated costs, you could have made the same point in just three bytes: S A P
Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by Graham24 on Monday May 21, 2018 @09:38AM (#17118266)
OS/360?
Re:One-Of-a-Kind Private Train Takes on Florida’s Traffic Ni... by rayiner on Monday May 21, 2018 @10:06AM (#17118442)
That assumes you trust your government enough to operate a transit system. In Florida (or almost anywhere else in the U.S.) is not a foregone conclusion.

I think privatized systems (with appropriate incentive structures) are particularly appropriate for the U.S., because most of the country does not use transit, so there is little effective political oversight over transit systems.