Re:Estonia plans to become a free public transport nation
by teddyh on Saturday May 19, 2018 @07:50AM
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Every. Time.
Re:Estonia plans to become a free public transport nation
by yani on Saturday May 19, 2018 @08:14AM
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I absolutely support free medical coverage and free education... but I cannot put transportation in the same wagon.
People who say that it is paid by taxes and it is not free are not wrong thou. The article should notnuse free but a different word. The system in nordic countries is wonderful but it is also starting to get abused.
Re:Estonia plans to become a free public transport nation
by icebraining on Saturday May 19, 2018 @08:39AM
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Nothing, except maybe for sunlight, is costless. Someone is always paying. Free means the users don't pay, not that it doesn't cost anyone anything.
Re:Estonia plans to become a free public transport nation
by yani on Saturday May 19, 2018 @09:43AM
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Users dont pay directly. But they still pay via some form. It is actually prepaid in this case
Re:Estonia plans to become a free public transport nation
by icebraining on Saturday May 19, 2018 @09:50AM
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Some users pay, some don't. Not everyone is a net tax payer. And not every tax payer is a user.
Re:Estonia plans to become a free public transport nation
by yani on Saturday May 19, 2018 @11:38AM
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Agreed
Re:Estonia plans to become a free public transport nation
by liberal_098 on Saturday May 19, 2018 @08:16AM
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> World's First Entirely Tax-Funded Public Transport Nation
World's First Entirely EU-Tax-Funded Public Transport Nation
Estonia gets quite significant subsidies, subventions, grants and whatever other aid from EU so they can afford such experiments.
Interestingly, EU officials are also happy because they see the impact as opposed to having money simply disappeared - which is not an exception. Only EU tax payers and donor countries might not be happy because they have to pay for this fun and for their own transportation too - but who asks them :(
Re:Estonia plans to become a free public transport nation
by yani on Saturday May 19, 2018 @08:37AM
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Do you have any proof that links EU funds being used for this?
Re:Estonia plans to become a free public transport nation
by liberal_098 on Saturday May 19, 2018 @08:42AM
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You ask as if it were some criminal activity. Actually, I find using external funds not bad at all whether they are used directly or indirectly (feasibility studies, investments in infrastructure like roads etc.)
I just wanted to say that without having significant financial support from EU Estonia would hardly be able to carry out such experiments with "free" services.
Re:Estonia plans to become a free public transport nation
by yani on Saturday May 19, 2018 @09:49AM
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I think you are mistaken. That is why I ask. Every euro from EU is given to a country for a specific thing. Regional development, building roads, public parks etc. I am wondering what EU grants can be converted to cover public transportation.
Re:Estonia plans to become a free public transport nation
by v2ikesibul on Saturday May 19, 2018 @09:13AM
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It's a matter of political will, not foreign grants. Additional subsidies that enable free public transport are 25 million EUR per year [1]. State budget for 2018 is 10 308 million EUR [2].
[1] https://www.err.ee/640797/valitsus-pole-veel-tasuta-uhistran...
Re:Estonia plans to become a free public transport nation
by crispyporkbites on Saturday May 19, 2018 @08:44AM
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He doesn’t need it, it’s dogma
Re:Estonia plans to become a free public transport nation
by icebraining on Saturday May 19, 2018 @08:42AM
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Yeah, the problem with the EU is really that the small peripheral countries have too much influence, whereas the wealthy countries are bullied submission /s
not free.