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Re:GDPR: Don't Panic by raverbashing on Friday May 18, 2018 @07:37AM (#17100579)
You're right, laws in Europe are uncivilized, maybe that's why they have the highest rate of incarceration in the world.
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Re:GDPR: Don't Panic by fbelzile on Friday May 18, 2018 @08:34AM (#17100887)
I think you've got it backwards. GDPR is bringing civility back. I think it's great legislation that favors peoples privacy over business profits made by invading that privacy. As a business owner myself, I'm glad something like GDPR came along. I think it better reflects the society I want to live in.
Re:GDPR: Don't Panic by oblio on Friday May 18, 2018 @08:19AM (#17100794)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Elcom_Ltd. ?

The guy committed an "US crime" in Russia, where what he did was not illegal. He arrived on US soil, where he committed no crime.

He was still arrested and charged.

Re:GDPR: Don't Panic by downandout on Friday May 18, 2018 @08:41AM (#17100937)
That’s one guy in one case (that was eventually dismissed). There are probably a few handfuls of other examples you can post here. It doesn't hold a candle to the millions of people and businesses liable under the GDPR who face a nasty framework of foreign laws with no limits on fines other than $10/20 million.
Re:GDPR: Don't Panic by oblio on Friday May 18, 2018 @08:43AM (#17100948)
Go read the law again. Read what the friendly people are answering in this whole sub-thread started by you.
Re:GDPR: Don't Panic by ethelward on Friday May 18, 2018 @08:07AM (#17100736)
Or, you know, just block European clients from your service if you don't agree to our laws?

It's not like if the US laws didn't have any extraterritoriality.

Re:GDPR: Don't Panic by downandout on Friday May 18, 2018 @08:17AM (#17100780)
It's not like if the US laws didn't have any extraterritoriality.

This is a disingenuous argument. The US has never passed a law that is this easy to violate outside of its own borders, is this ripe for abuse, and carries such enormous penalties and burdens for essentially everyone in the world that wants to operate a website. In fact, no country has ever done this before.

GDPR is different, and not in a good way.

Re:GDPR: Don't Panic by dragonwriter on Friday May 18, 2018 @09:06AM (#17101107)
> The US has never passed a law that is this easy to violate outside of its own borders, is this ripe for abuse, and carries such enormous penalties and burdens for essentially everyone in the world that wants to operate a website.

The US has clearly passed many laws that meet all those criteria but the last (and with much harsher, often criminal rather than merely financial, penalties), so unless you believe that operating a website is somehow a unique class of activity deserving special protection from extraterritorial application of laws, this is a pointless comparison.

And there's actually a number of US laws affecting website operators that arguably meet all three criteria, as other comments point out.

Re:GDPR: Don't Panic by donkeyd on Friday May 18, 2018 @08:38AM (#17100917)
> The US has never passed a law that is this easy to violate outside of its own borders

The US has a law requiring US citizens living and working outside of the US to file taxes in the US. Not doing that is a crime. You'll probably argue that this is different, since it concerns American citizens, but it isn't different, because it's a US law that is very easy to violate outside of its borders.

Re:GDPR: Don't Panic by amaccuish on Friday May 18, 2018 @08:41AM (#17100936)
Lol, the US has FATCA which makes it very difficult for fin-tech startups to work with americans. I'm an e-resident of Estonia, and almost all financial services state they cannot serve US clients.
Re:GDPR: Don't Panic by raverbashing on Friday May 18, 2018 @09:02AM (#17101080)
*FATCA ;)
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Re:GDPR: Don't Panic by amaccuish on Friday May 18, 2018 @09:23AM (#17101200)
Except that FATCA's sole purpose was to raise money, and the US isn't even compliant itself. FATCA is a whole different ball game to GDPR, and I don't recall the complaints from Americans when EU instituions were forced to implement it. In addition, the costs for implementation of FATCA were huge. Most people are halfway there with GPDR compliance already, unless they're doing something they really shouldn't have been doing.

GDPR is not a money making mechanism but a way of forcing compliance. I think that's the difference that many US people don't seem to understand.

Also I was responding to the comment that the US has never done anything like this, which is completely false, US people tend to forget what it's like for the rest of the world.

Re:GDPR: Don't Panic by fbelzile on Friday May 18, 2018 @08:46AM (#17100973)
Right, which is why my Canadian business doesn't have to follow COPAA /s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Online_Privacy_Pr...
Re:GDPR: Don't Panic by DanBC on Friday May 18, 2018 @08:08AM (#17100738)
You make it sound like US laws don't extend outside the US. Many of them do.
Re:GDPR: Don't Panic by yls on Friday May 18, 2018 @08:28AM (#17100841)
Nope. Read the law and check on how many countries have extraterritorial reach in their laws...
Re:GDPR: Don't Panic by barry-cotter on Friday May 18, 2018 @07:58AM (#17100687)
Many countries believe their law applies extraterritorially. The US Foreign Corrupt Practices Act applies to any company that does any business in the US. A German director of a Canadian company that pays a bribe to an Ethiopian government official can be prosecuted under the FCPA if they set foot in the US. Sweden will prosecute citizens, and I presume residents, who purchase the services of a sex worker abroad. I don’t believe Kim Dotcom ever set foot in the US before the New Zealand government arrested him on foot of a US extradition warrant.