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Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by skrause on Thursday May 17, 2018 @06:08PM (#17096476)
From my German perspective this whole GDPR panic is so interesting. The GDPR is basically a carbon copy of the data protections laws that have evolved in Germany since 1977. Yet we still have many thousands of small companies dealing with data, individuals running web forums etc.

It's especially funny when small to medium German companies suddenly panic because of the GDPR and when you look at their situation all you can say is "yeah, you should have implemented that 15 years ago, it's already been German law that long".

In Germany not much will change, but at least companies like Facebook can no longer just move to another country with worse privacy laws (like Ireland) and call it a day. For us the GDPR means that protecting user data will no longer be a competitve disadvantage. But if you're a small company and handling data reasonably, the GDPR won't hurt you anyway.

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by tobltobs on Thursday May 17, 2018 @06:33PM (#17096698)
Data Protection Officer, right to be forgotten, data exportability, ...

Can you hint me to one of those German laws which do require one of the above?

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by skrause on Thursday May 17, 2018 @06:49PM (#17096831)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesdatenschutzgesetz

It literally translates to "federal data protection law" and has been German law since 1978. In certain conditions it has also mandated a DPO (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datenschutzbeauftragter) since then, but in fact the first DPO position in Germany was created in 1971.

The right to be forgotten is mandated by article 35 BDSG (https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bdsg_1990/__35.html).

The right to a data export is mandated by article 34 BDSG (https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bdsg_1990/__34.html). It has always been common use this law to get a free copy of the data which our credit reporting agencies have about you, I've done that multiple times.

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by tobltobs on Thursday May 17, 2018 @07:15PM (#17097023)
Thank you for those detailed links. They are kind of eye opening, and I am German. However, it is hard to understand how stuff like GEZ, Schufa and article 35 can exist concurrently in the same country.
Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by skrause on Thursday May 17, 2018 @07:26PM (#17097107)
Schufa (the biggest consumer credit reporting agency in Germany) and article 35 can certainly co-exist. In fact you can write to Schufa and request that they delete all your data.

However, if you do that, good luck ever getting a mortgage, credit card or other post-paid services ever again if all credit report requests come back with the reponse "no data available". So I wouldn't recommend that.

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by cesarb on Thursday May 17, 2018 @07:43PM (#17097252)
> However, if you do that, good luck ever getting a mortgage, credit card or other post-paid services ever again if all credit report requests come back with the reponse "no data available". So I wouldn't recommend that.

How does that work for people who never had a Schufa history? If for instance I decided to move today from Brazil to Germany, would I be unable to do all these things there, since they would have "no data available" on me?

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by skrause on Friday May 18, 2018 @02:34AM (#17099162)
The reports for people who are just new in the system and for people who had their data deleted by request are different.
Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by ahakki on Thursday May 17, 2018 @09:24PM (#17097904)
You‘ll still have access. Probably at a higher rate.
Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by tobltobs on Friday May 18, 2018 @02:41AM (#17099188)
There are thosuands of horror stories how the Schufa isn't able or willing to correct wrong data. And no data protection agency in Germany did ever brought such a case to a court.