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Re:Completely Silent Computer by loser777 on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @03:18PM (#17076885)
This type of noise is arguably worse than that produced by a well-managed fan setup. If you have fans that spin at a constant RPM, you can fairly easily tune out the noise. Coil whine will vary depending on the load of the system (e.g., when you start/stop scrolling a web page), making it much more difficult to tune out.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by RowanH on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @04:04PM (#17077379)
Never heard coil whine for years and years decades infact of PC building. Until last year I got my shiny new fancy pants blast furnace, (aka GTX 1080 TI), which has near dead silent fans at idle/light loads. The minute that bad boy starts working an obnoxious screeching/whine starts.

Super annoying compared to the rest of the build being a beast of a machine and watercooled that's so quiet I'm more likely to hear the noise floor on speakers than the PC (which is on the desk, next to said speakers).

Re:Completely Silent Computer by corysama on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @07:46PM (#17078858)
My 1080TI also has an obnoxious whine that precisely reflects activity on the card. On the upside, when I’m working in CUDA, I can listen to my algorithms and get a hint at how they are working :)
Re:Completely Silent Computer by flashman on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @10:10PM (#17079494)
Yeah I can tell by the various fans whether an application has crashed or the whole system.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by developer2 on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @05:49AM (#17081130)
Coil whine with graphics cards is such a frustrating experience, because there is no informed consensus as to what the underlying cause truly is. Everyone has their own anecdotal reason:

a) Maybe coil whine is an intrinsic factor in the manufacture of graphics cards, similar to dead pixels on displays. "Luck of the draw" when obtaining one is the only way to win. Cycle through RMAs until you get one with little to no coil whine.

b) Or, it depends which company you buy from: each of Asus, EVGA, Gigabyte, MSI, Zotac et al are supposedly better or worse than the others.

c) Or, it's not a problem with the GPU at all; rather, it's an indication of a poor quality power supply (PSU).

I've never seen an informed analysis from an industry engineer who has a goddamn clue what they are talking about. NVIDIA could probably enlighten us all with an exact-science explanation, but that seems unlikely. My uneducated guess is that the situation is closest to option 'a' above, and that rejecting units for coil whine during quality control would drastically reduce production yield.

Re:Completely Silent Computer by ovao on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @02:30PM (#17085111)
Yeah, I don’t see NVIDIA or AMD drawing any attention to product flaws, particularly if the end-user solution is “RMA until you get a good one”.

Instead, ping a few review sites and see if any of them are willing to take a crack at it.

Re:Completely Silent Computer by jaytaylor on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @06:13PM (#17078368)
My GTX 970 does the same thing. It is incredibly annoying.

Fortunately it happens when at high load, which is while playing games. This doesn't help for quiet scenes, though.

Is there a way to fix this sound in video cards? I'll have to investigate.

Re:Completely Silent Computer by ovao on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @06:55PM (#17078624)
Coils emit a relatively high-frequency sound, so your best bet is a case with thick panels, that’s fairly well enclosed, and has some acoustic dampening.

Most cases made today don’t have any significant dampening material. It’s pretty trivial to add some to the panels without significantly affecting cooling capacity.

Re:Completely Silent Computer by cellularmitosis on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @07:08PM (#17078695)
Alternatively, if you wanted to really dig into this, you could try to find every switch-mode power supply and replace them with (much less efficient) linear power supplies. You'd need a larger water-cooling system though.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by hatsunearu on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @05:23AM (#17081025)
Is this a joke?

That would require making your own GPU PCB, and maybe a year's worth of studying on electronics and power supply design.

Re:Completely Silent Computer by cellularmitosis on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @06:33AM (#17081300)
Not really. More likely just desoldering a couple of key components and soldering in a few wires to a dsughterboard with a linear regulator.

A year’s worth of power supply design? Have you looked at the LM7805 datasheet? The circuit is one regulator and two capacitors...

Re:Completely Silent Computer by magicalhippo on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @10:30PM (#17088251)
Have you looked at the current requirements for CPUs and GPUs? We're talking 100A or more. Even if the input was 3.3V, which it isn't, a linear regulator down to 1.1V would have to dissipate 220W or more. You'll need a bigger heatsink for the linear regulator than for the CPU...

And designing a 250W-capable linear regulator is not as simple as just hooking up a LM7805.

So with a modern CPU and GPU, your talking ~400W of power to the actual components, and nearly 500W wasted in the linear regulators. This of course also means you have to get a 1000W PSU as a bare minimum.

Re:Completely Silent Computer by hatsunearu on Saturday May 26, 2018 @11:27PM (#17165305)
Here's the problem: not only do you have to dissipate 200W+ for your pass element, you need to drive it ultra fast with an extremely fast analog circuit that can withstand the massive magnetic fields (which pretty much means you need a PCB).

Yeah and good luck driving a 200W linear element (if it even exists, lol) with a few op amps--the driver which should deliver a few amps into the gate/base of the pass element, which in and of itself is a pretty difficult challenge.

Re:Completely Silent Computer by hatsunearu on Saturday May 26, 2018 @11:25PM (#17165300)
old thread but

LMFAO you can't be any more wrong. You need /much/ more careful design to get GPU-compliant performance. The dI/dt on modern ASICs are insane, and you need an insane regulator to deal with it.

Re:Completely Silent Computer by lutorm on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @07:43PM (#17078843)
I was going to say, I can hear coil whine if I stick my ear into the machine, but it doesn't make it out past the acoustic dampening panels in my case.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by diamondo25 on Thursday May 17, 2018 @07:07AM (#17090287)
I've had a GTX 460 and a GTX 660 Ti before, and once I upgraded to a GTX 970 i was disappointed by the coil whine. I could even see the effect of the power drain on my secondary screen when I booted up GTA 5. Guess we'll have to live with the fact that the tech cannot keep up with the demand and quality, resulting in more 'unstable' electronics.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by gambiting on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @04:15PM (#17077493)
My fiancee has a mouse(Logitech MX Master) which has a very-high pitched coil whine, but only when you move it. It's the most infuriating thing in the universe, but apparently she can't hear it. So yes, random coil whine is about 10000x worse than fans.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by alirobe on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @07:03PM (#17078670)
So her mouse squeaks? That’s adorable!
Re:Completely Silent Computer by Hasknewbie on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @08:04PM (#17078940)
If you google "Logitech mouse coil whine" you will see that this has affected multiple Logitech models for many, many years. They apparently have no interest in fixing this issue.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by gambiting on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @05:11AM (#17080988)
I find it funny that this post has become the second result on google when searching for this phrase now :P

https://imgur.com/a/MJNLV2j

Re:Completely Silent Computer by SmellyGeekBoy on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @04:19AM (#17080786)
Same with the Dell XPS 9560 but talk to their customer service department and they'll deny all knowledge...
Re:Completely Silent Computer by gambiting on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @04:44AM (#17080896)
I've had my top-of-the-line Dell XPS serviced(motherboard fully replaced) 3 times because of the coil whine issue, and it's not going away, and Dell said they will not replace it any more. It's one of their most expensive laptops and they can't get such a basic thing right.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by noir_lord on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @04:01PM (#17085933)
Last year when I was deciding which laptop to buy for personal use I ruled out the XPS15 (partially) on coil whine (I'm 37 but thanks to never going to concerts and rarely listening to music beyond half volume I still have decent high frequency hearing).

In the end I went with a Thinkpad and having seen the issues people I know have had with the XPS15 I'm pretty glad I did.

Re:Completely Silent Computer by 0xfeba on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @04:43PM (#17077703)
That's not the mouse, but the CPU causing coil whine when the mouses causes the kernel to up it's CPU usage as you fly across various GUI elements.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by mohn on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @05:31PM (#17078040)
Unless you've tested OP's fiancee's system yourself and found that to be the case, I wouldn't be so sure.

I had a Logitech G500 with awful coil whine and the opposite problem: it would stop whining when moving and start when idle. I suspect it had to do with the power saving mode that lots of mice have, where the laser power supply ramps down to dim the laser illumination after a period of no detected motion.

Re:Completely Silent Computer by goldenkey on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @05:33PM (#17078052)
A lot of times I've noticed it's the USB controller. It's quite evident when you have headphone ports near USB ports.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by sgtmas2006 on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @07:11PM (#17078708)
I can be tabbed out and hear when I get into the plane in PUBG from the increase in whine. It's quite nice actually.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by zrobotics on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @06:17PM (#17078393)
Not necessarily. Possible, but I had a cheap HP mouse that whined briefly when it first came out of sleep mode. Couldn't have been the computer, since it would make the same noise when the PC was turned off.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by gambiting on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @04:11AM (#17080761)
That is not the case - the mouse itself is whining, it does it even when the receiver is not plugged into anything.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by Kostic on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @01:20AM (#17080179)
Are you running the latest firmware?