If you're going to outright lie to my face & get caught, you'd better have a proof that you had discovered a brain tumor after having told the lie, pictures of the tumor being removed, and a doctor's note explaining "healthy now - no more liar liar pants on fire".

Why? Management lies to employees constantly. Sales lies to customers constantly. Why the sudden insistence on honesty?

With comments like this, can you believe it that people say Big Tech has an ethics problem?

I'm not much of a liar. But I certainly note that employers insist on honesty while regularly being entirely dishonest themselves.

It's a two-way street.

It's good (profitable) for the company for management to lie to their employees. It's not good (profitable) for the company for employees to lie to managers.

So it's okay to lose an arm if you've already lost a leg?

Because honesty is better than dishonesty?

Ahah, that's what management tells you. While telling you at the same time that you shouldn't ask for a raise as they don't give those out this year.

So you lie to your coworkers and customers, because someone else lied to you at some point? I'm not sure I quite follow...

It is all a game in which everyone pretends to be honest, but walks a fine line of acceptable lies. I'm only reacting to the "feel good" line that everyone is honest. This is not the way it works and we should not be duped to believe that.

Believing that honest > dishonesty is not the same as being duped into believing that there are no dishonest people... This article is proof enough of that, and nobody is making that claim.

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Do you feel disrespected when management lies to you?

Do you feel disrespected when you get wet while walking in the rain?

Nevermind.

I've been told that management is serving the best interests of the company, and therefore anything they do is justified. However, as a mere employee, it is wrong to apply the same logic to my own best interests.

> I've been told that management is serving the best interests of the company, and therefore anything they do is justified

Maybe. I can say I want to work for a company where management feels acting in the workers' best interests is in line with the company's bests interests.

it sounds like they were trying to get a sales job. maybe the doctor's note should read "healthy now - much better at lying, won't be caught next time"?

Well, blatantly lying in the very first meeting / discussions is a huge red flag... If they were so knowledgeable / likable, why the ruse? Why all the extra effort to create a fake past?

I partially agree, but at the same time there is a certain level of cargo culting going on in tech hiring, and if you didn't work at the right places or get the right degree from the right school, the deck is stacked against you even if you are fully capable of doing the job.

I imagine these actions are the logical conclusion of someone who can pass an interview but doesn't have the credentials to get their foot in the door interview.

The tech industry has a similar problem in over relying on the school you've graduated from to filter out candidates.

It's a sign of massive disrespect. Do you want a close relationship with someone who doesn't respect you?

Do you think management at this company respects their employees? Or maybe they refer to them as "resources", treat them as disposable, fungible, commodities, and deserve no more respect in turn?

Not saying that is the case, but the question deserves asking. Respect is a two way street.

Yeah, I am fortunate that I don't need to work for that kind of place, I guess.

I mean, I never worked anywhere where I felt management didn't respect me.

Interesting. In my experience the vast majority of companies consider their employees disposable commodities.

See: micromanagement, use of the term "resource" to refer to people, layoffs as soon as there is a bad quarter and the stock price takes a little dip, shoddy "open plan" working conditions, and all the other things companies tend to do. If you have found a better situation, hang onto it with both hands and don't let go!

I don't know a potential employer. Why would I respect them to start? I have expectations, they have expectations and we try to meet in the middle. That's society.

If you think that honesty isn't a fundamental expectation for someone who's hoping to work closely with you, that's a massive sign of disrespect.

Impersonating people has crossed the line into fraud. The odds that this is the first and last time a person commits fraud for the job are fairly bad. You don't want that kind of drama.

Yes, but I still wish they mentioned how well the candidate did technically. Wtf.