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Re:Stock-trading app Robinhood was rejected by 75 investors by paulpauper on Sunday May 13, 2018 @03:51PM (#17060651)
Ameritrade is a really bad broker. excessively high fees..all sorts of shady stuff with option order fill. Tons of online complaints. I have not used Robinhood but I cannot imagine it being worse than TDAmeritrade or any broker being worse than TDAmeritrade. If you trade with sums larger than $50k, use a professional broker such as Interactive Brokers, which institutional clients use.
Re:Stock-trading app Robinhood was rejected by 75 investors by hbosch on Sunday May 13, 2018 @04:38PM (#17060928)
TDA is a fine broker and the fees are negotiable. I’ve seen active traders get their fees knocked down lower than Schwab or Fidelity, and their Thinkorswim platform is fantastic for trends and analytics...

IB is of course a great broker as well, but TDA is definitely a top tier choice.

Re:Stock-trading app Robinhood was rejected by 75 investors by vostok on Sunday May 13, 2018 @04:06PM (#17060753)
Interactive brokers seems quite expensive, doesn't offer trading on swap, and has quite a few other downsides. I doubt that it's used by many serious institutional customers.
Re:Stock-trading app Robinhood was rejected by 75 investors by jshaqaw on Sunday May 13, 2018 @06:20PM (#17061338)
I run a hedge fund. There are no hedge fund managers I respect who don’t run their personal accounts on IB. The IB platform is in many ways ahead of the full suites provided by leading prime brokers and third parties. I see many hedge funds -especially smaller ones - going with IB as a prime solution.

Your statement here is just empirically false.

Re:Stock-trading app Robinhood was rejected by 75 investors by vostok on Sunday May 13, 2018 @06:32PM (#17061376)
I started my career as a trader at a bank and then moved on to quant/trading/PM roles at extremely cost sensitive firms. Not a single one of them used IBKR.

> There are no hedge fund managers I respect who don’t run their personal accounts on IB.

This thread is about institutional customers rather than personal accounts.

I know at least one former hedge fund manager who ran a high 10 figure hedge fund whose personal account is not at IBKR. I respect him a lot.

> I see many hedge funds -especially smaller ones - going with IB as a prime solution.

Are they cost sensitive? The fact that you have hedge fund structure set up does not mean that you are cost sensitive.

Re:Stock-trading app Robinhood was rejected by 75 investors by akvadrako on Sunday May 13, 2018 @05:28PM (#17061141)
IB is actually one of the cheapest, but are also in almost every global exchange and have a lot of let's say "features". Of all the retail investing platforms, I think they are the biggest and the top pick for rather serious investors. It's actually not very user-friendly.

What makes you think they are expensive? Trading US stocks is like $1 per trade and interest rates are benchmark + 1.5%.

Re:Stock-trading app Robinhood was rejected by 75 investors by vostok on Sunday May 13, 2018 @05:58PM (#17061254)
> Of all the retail investing platforms, I think they are the biggest and the top pick for rather serious investors.

I would agree with this, but I'm not sure that this is a meaningful universe for comparison.

It's also quite different from the original claim with which I disagreed.

> use a professional broker such as Interactive Brokers, which institutional clients use

I'm sure that there are some institutional customers who use IBKR, but it's probably not many and they're probably not very cost sensitive.

This is also why I added so many qualifiers to my disagreement. You can open an LLC and be an institutional customer in a certain sense, but it doesn't mean that you're cost sensitive and trying to cut your costs to the bare minimum.

Re:Stock-trading app Robinhood was rejected by 75 investors by anemitz on Sunday May 13, 2018 @04:26PM (#17060873)
Expensive in what way?

I assume you mean "trading on margin". Swaps are custom contracts and not something average people are doing. IB definitely supports trading on margin and has one of the lowest rates around to do so.

IB is definitely the choice for someone who wants to have real market access and tools at their fingertips.

Re:Stock-trading app Robinhood was rejected by 75 investors by vostok on Sunday May 13, 2018 @04:29PM (#17060886)
It's expensive in literally every way from commissions to margin rates.

I meant swaps specifically. I know that they offer margin trading.

Re:Stock-trading app Robinhood was rejected by 75 investors by __blockcipher__ on Sunday May 13, 2018 @05:26PM (#17061138)
That’s just false. Commissions, rates, etc are rock bottom.

However you will be charged at least $10 per month regardless of transactions, unless you have >$100k with them.

Or were you saying specifically their swaps are expensive?

Re:Stock-trading app Robinhood was rejected by 75 investors by peterbraden on Monday May 14, 2018 @06:06AM (#17064167)
They also have a terrible user interface and horrible support. Highly un-recommended.
Re:Stock-trading app Robinhood was rejected by 75 investors by dd36 on Sunday May 13, 2018 @04:22PM (#17060855)
It has or at least had really cheap margin rates.
Re:Stock-trading app Robinhood was rejected by 75 investors by vostok on Sunday May 13, 2018 @04:26PM (#17060874)
Margin seems pretty expensive too and AFAIK they auto liquidate you rather than letting you meet the call. That's not great in both dimensions.
Re:Stock-trading app Robinhood was rejected by 75 investors by __blockcipher__ on Sunday May 13, 2018 @05:28PM (#17061140)
What the fuck are you talking about dude? They have rock bottom margin rates, like multiple % lower than you get with retail brokers like schwab, etc
Re:Stock-trading app Robinhood was rejected by 75 investors by durkie on Sunday May 13, 2018 @05:15PM (#17061084)
Who do you like that's cheaper? IBs margin rates max out around 2% in the US, which seems quite low.
Re:Stock-trading app Robinhood was rejected by 75 investors by vostok on Sunday May 13, 2018 @05:44PM (#17061201)
The best tier is about 30bps over fed funds or libor, doesn't matter in the current environment. I've seen better from major banks.

This is on top of the other downsides that I mentioned.

It would be fine if the financing terms were worse, but everything else was better as long as your total costs are lower.