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Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by OliverJones on Saturday May 12, 2018 @07:20AM (#17053523)
You know what? You can save lives even if you don't have some rare and newsworthy antibody in your blood.

All kinds of patients need whole blood and plasma.

Cancer patients need platelets.

There's only one place to get most of this stuff: human donors. So look here and go do it!

http://www.redcross.org/support/blood-donation

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by ciconia on Saturday May 12, 2018 @07:40AM (#17053579)
Donating blood is easy! It takes just a few minutes (for whole blood donation, plasma and platelets donation is more involved), and there are health benefits [1]. More than that, helping to save lives is a great way to start your day. Good feeling, good karma!

[1] https://www.medicaldaily.com/why-donating-blood-good-your-he...

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by Tharkun on Saturday May 12, 2018 @08:56AM (#17053841)
This part of the article struck me as strange:

> You can reduce your blood viscosity by donating blood on a regular basis, which eliminates the iron that may possibly oxidize in your blood.

The whole reason why blood is red, why red blood cells carry oxygen, is because of the iron, which is oxidized to transport oxygen ... ?

Given that only healthy folks are allowed to donate blood, surely there's a fair amount of selection bias going on?

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by projektfu on Saturday May 12, 2018 @09:19AM (#17053926)
It's a disorganized sentence containing two separate notions. One is that having fewer red cells can reduce the viscosity of blood so it doesn't clot as readily, which is good for sedentary people. The other is that bleeding will reduce the overall age of red cells and thus reduce the amount of unusable methemoglobin, containing oxidized iron. Iron (II) is in hemoglobin, Iron (III) is in methemoglobin.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by delsarto on Saturday May 12, 2018 @09:13AM (#17053900)
I suffer from gout; there's a lot of theories about giving blood to help lower uric acid levels. Some people claim releif from symptoms after donating. In theory, it sounds plausable...

"Studies have shown that iron acts like a catalysis for the crystallization of uric acid. So if your iron serum levels are lower it will keep the uric acid in your blood longer to give your kidneys more time to remove it from your system."

https://www.reddit.com/r/gout/comments/70l8vp/reducing_uric_...

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by aplummer on Saturday May 12, 2018 @10:25AM (#17054189)
My old man actually _has_ to donate blood once a month due to excess iron from a condition.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by geetfun on Saturday May 12, 2018 @12:39PM (#17054817)
Yup, I believe it’s called Hemochromatosis. I can’t find the source but I recall reading that donating blood also reduces cardiovascular risk.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by brann0 on Saturday May 12, 2018 @09:13AM (#17053899)
Drinking water reduces blood viscosity too. Or so I've been told.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by torstenvl on Saturday May 12, 2018 @09:43AM (#17054031)
Donating blood is easy for some people. Other people need to be celibate for a year.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by bjoli on Saturday May 12, 2018 @10:27AM (#17054199)
Homosexual men are still banned from giving blood in many countries. In Sweden this changed less than 10 years ago. In Germany that changed in 2017, and in Austria they are still not allowed to give blood.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by KozmoNau7 on Saturday May 12, 2018 @11:54AM (#17054624)
Same in Denmark, they're still not allowed. I donate as often as possible, for my homosexual friends who want to, but can't.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by rainbowmverse on Saturday May 12, 2018 @10:22AM (#17054181)
Or forever, depending on the country.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by boznz on Saturday May 12, 2018 @04:17PM (#17055820)
Regular Blood donor in the UK but cannot give blood in NZ because of mad cow disease.. Even though I've been vegetarian for over 35 years!
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by maxerickson on Saturday May 12, 2018 @07:35PM (#17056588)
What it amounts to is that there isn't really a shortage of donors (there are brief local shortages). So they are optimizing away really small risks.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by Androider on Saturday May 12, 2018 @08:44AM (#17053800)
...those who donated blood a minimum of once a year had an 88 percent lower risk of heart attacks than those who did not donate.

Donating blood is one of the easiest thing you can do to prevent all kinds of cardiovascular disease! Thanks for the reminder, I will be going to donate.

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by DenisM on Saturday May 12, 2018 @10:19AM (#17054168)
In related news, healthier people are more likely to donate blood. Cause vs effect.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by war1025 on Saturday May 12, 2018 @08:58AM (#17053854)
And to think we called blood-letting quack medicine! :P
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by KozmoNau7 on Saturday May 12, 2018 @11:51AM (#17054611)
My ferritin levels are quite high, and anecdotally I started feeling better after I started donating blood. It's a win-win, so I donate as much as I can (which is every 3 months here).

They've also started sending a text message every time my blood has been used to help someone, which is one of the best warm and fuzzy feelings ever, that knowledge that you've made a genuine difference in some other person's life.

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by Symmetry on Saturday May 12, 2018 @10:16AM (#17054164)
I donate platelets every month. It takes a while but you can watch a movie and it doesn't leave you feeling as drained as whole blood donation does. But which sort of donation does the most good is partially dependent on what your blood type is.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by KozmoNau7 on Saturday May 12, 2018 @11:56AM (#17054632)
I actually like the light-headedness from donating blood. It's a mild little buzz, rather pleasant.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by mikec3010 on Saturday May 12, 2018 @11:47AM (#17054580)
I wonder why they don't donate it to the patient? Or conversely, why they don't pay the donor at the hyper-inflated healthcare rates that everyone else in the "network" charges?
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by jdietrich on Saturday May 12, 2018 @02:05PM (#17055227)
It costs money to draw, test, process, transport and infuse blood. The British healthcare system is single-payer and incredibly efficient, but an NHS hospital pays the NHS blood service £124.46 ($168.59) for a unit of red blood cells.

Paying donors for blood was a major contributory factor in the tainted blood scandal of the late 1980s and early 1990s; there's an unpleasantly large overlap in the Venn diagram of "people who are desperate for cash" and "intravenous drug users".

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by cathhhhji on Saturday May 12, 2018 @07:49AM (#17053599)
>Good feeling

Until you pass out or get tired of all the spam mail begging you to donate again.

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by tomerv on Saturday May 12, 2018 @08:39AM (#17053791)
Obviously, don't donate blood if it causes you to pass out. But that's a pretty rare side effect, and mostly people can donate without any negative impact.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by d3ad1ysp0rk on Saturday May 12, 2018 @08:12AM (#17053682)
You should not pass out, and the mail/email can be easily unsubscribed from.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by projektfu on Saturday May 12, 2018 @09:23AM (#17053947)
It's a little difficult. If you have type O blood the American Red Cross will bug you incessantly when you're able to donate again. While it's nice to be in demand, it's still annoying. You can ask them to knock it off but there's no option for once a month reminders.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by creaghpatr on Saturday May 12, 2018 @11:19AM (#17054422)
I hate to say it but you are right about this. I donate frequently and encourage everyone who can to do it but the Red Cross spam operation is absolutely disgraceful they have zero shame.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by firethief on Saturday May 12, 2018 @04:00PM (#17055728)
If it works, isn't it more ethical to annoy people in this case?
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by projektfu on Saturday May 12, 2018 @07:11PM (#17056499)
It's annoying but I don't mind it like I do the daily business loan cold calls.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by tspiteri on Saturday May 12, 2018 @08:52AM (#17053821)
My pressure sometimes would drop just after the donation while still in the seat, until I figured out it was due to dehydration; the one thing that solves the issue completely for me is drinking plenty of water the day before.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by esrauch on Saturday May 12, 2018 @08:47AM (#17053810)
Almost no junk mail can be easily unsubscribed from in my experience.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by fouric on Saturday May 12, 2018 @11:39AM (#17054539)
Every email that I have received from a legitimate organization in the past several years has had a one- or two-click unsubscribe link at the bottom. I can't get access to the Red Cross' reminder emails right now, but given what the Red Cross is, it's rather likely that the parent is telling the truth.

Edit: parent

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by esrauch on Sunday May 13, 2018 @01:57AM (#17057542)
Sorry, I meant physical mail not email.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by ktosobcy on Saturday May 12, 2018 @09:18AM (#17053922)
I unsubscribed for almost all junk mail without any problem (save for spam, but that's different matter)...
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by ktosobcy on Saturday May 12, 2018 @08:44PM (#17056818)
Why the minuses? I don't share my email all over the web, I usually don't sign up to many websites. If I do in majority of cases (99% I would say) there is included option to manage my subscriptions and/or unsubscribe directly from the message... and it works.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by yjftsjthsd-h on Saturday May 12, 2018 @09:54AM (#17054080)
How? Do you just write back and ask them to stop?
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by fouric on Saturday May 12, 2018 @11:43AM (#17054558)
Many literally have a link at the bottom that says "unsubscribe". I've received emails from dozens of different services and companies over the past few years and every single one, without exception, has had this feature. It's prevalent enough that my email client even attempts to find it and presents me with a button in the UI if it does.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by zokier on Saturday May 12, 2018 @12:48PM (#17054850)
Notably CAN-SPAM act requires spam to have effective and visible unsubscribe links. While this doesn't impact off-brand Viagra and Nigerian prince spammers, most legitimate US businesses (such as American Red Cross) should be compliant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by yjftsjthsd-h on Sunday May 13, 2018 @01:10PM (#17059886)
Ah, I thought we were discussing snail mail.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by sbjustin on Saturday May 12, 2018 @08:53AM (#17053827)
I'm just glad you were able to corellate saving lives and spam emails. /s
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by Fnoord on Saturday May 12, 2018 @11:56AM (#17054635)
> Donating blood is easy!

Not if you have belonephobia/aichmophobia. I'm not sure how common that is, but I have it. I need a benzo (oxazepam, or stronger) before the needle.

There are other ways to do something good for society, and doing one good deed doesn't mean you're a good person (ie. a net positive karma, if you believe in such a thing). That's disillusioning yourself just like every form of donating does. Donating is not about you feeling good, it is about helping someone else. You feeling good is still a selfish reason.

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by always_good on Saturday May 12, 2018 @01:45PM (#17055144)
I don't understand your approach of pointing out that someone didn't enumerate all the exceptions of their general statement.

What about people with bloodborne pathogens, those who share needles, or people on space stations? It's not easy for them to donate either but you didn't mention them.

Please avoid creating a world where we have to belabor every statement with "(there are exceptions btw)." Instead, you need to realize there are always exceptions.

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by Fnoord on Saturday May 12, 2018 @02:21PM (#17055302)
There are not always exceptions, and I don't think my exception is being considered when someone makes a statement like that (though AFAICT far more common than people on space stations). What I mentioned isn't well covered, accepted. So I found it worthwhile to mention that exception not to prove that the statement is false but to give an example of an exception to a rule of thumb. One I obviously care about. Please don't tell me when I am or am not allowed to express my concern; I am free to appreciate nuances to extreme PoVs/statements. _Generally_ I'd say I value them. You're free to not care about [such an] exception.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by dwaltrip on Saturday May 12, 2018 @12:55PM (#17054885)
> Donating is not about you feeling good, it is about helping someone else.

It's about both. There is nothing wrong with feeling good for helping someone.

Of course, you need to actually have helped someone, but that goes without saying.

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by danShumway on Saturday May 12, 2018 @01:20PM (#17055012)
I actually used to occasionally feel weird about helping people because it made me feel good. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make sure I didn't feel good when helping, to try and do it in the most painful way possible.

What swapped me on that was that I realized I was often a more generous, effective helper when I could feed off the positive energy that came along with it.

I want to help people because they have inherent value, not for my own gain or status. So I asked myself, 'would the type of person who is completely selfless make themselves less effective as a helper just so that they could be assured that they were selfless?'

And of course they wouldn't. Being selfless is about considering other people to be more important than you. I was falling into the trap of treating my own moral status as the end goal; I was still considering other people to be less important than what I felt my actions said about me.

It's like when people assume that the opposite of pride is self-deprecation and then spend the exact same amount of time and energy obsessing over why they're bad at something.

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by firethief on Saturday May 12, 2018 @02:28PM (#17055335)
That sounds like a self-enforced variant of do-gooder aversion, which seems to come standard in the human psyche.

Here's a template of a conversation I have to actively avoid:

> I'm making this lifestyle choice for ethical reasons

> You must feel superior!

> I guess that's a risk I'm willing to take?

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by Fnoord on Saturday May 12, 2018 @02:27PM (#17055330)
The feeling good is a (possible) by-product of the goal: helping someone. When too much emphasis is put on that (possible) by-product it can cloud the moral value of the goal. F.e. how donating becomes a pissing contest in certain rich circles.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by danShumway on Saturday May 12, 2018 @03:29PM (#17055603)
Well sure, feeling good is not the end goal and shouldn't become the end goal. That doesn't mean it should be dismissed or avoided.

Tasting good is not the end goal of food, nutrition is. I think the pushback might make more sense thinking about it that way. Suppose the OP had written a post talking about how healthy kale was:

> "It's super healthy, and if you cook it right, it tastes amazing too!"

> "That's disillusioning yourself just like every form of cooking does. The point of healthy eating is not to satisfy your taste buds."

Lots of things in the world can become a trap, but that doesn't mean they should always be avoided. I think sometimes people forget that empathy and morality are work. It takes reinforcement. Being "good" is something you learn and practice, it's not a binary switch you turn on and off.

So in other words, if I'm Cookie Monster, and I'm on the fence about donating blood, and somebody tells me that the Red Cross always supplies free cookies afterwards (and even apple juice sometimes, heck yeah) and that's just enough to push me over the fence to donate blood - good. I'm glad someone told me that then. I'm going to take advantage of any instinct that makes me more likely to help someone.

And, yeah, maybe it'll become a problem sometime and I'll not want to help out with an event that doesn't have free cookies. Then I'll switch to a variable reward schedule to help ingrain the habit, or I'll start weaning myself off of cookies, or whatever. But the point is to start somewhere.

If I start doing sit-ups, I'm absolutely going to have someone hold my feet because my core strength isn't going to be there at the beginning. Empathy is a muscle; treat it like one.

Another way of looking at it is that the people you are helping usually don't care about your internal morality. So by all means, focus on your internal morality - but only if it doesn't get in the way of you helping them. During a blood shortage, you get no moral points for saying "well, I didn't donate blood because I didn't think I could do it in a truly selfless way."

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by testvox on Saturday May 12, 2018 @12:25PM (#17054758)
What is wrong with being selfish?
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by Fnoord on Saturday May 12, 2018 @12:33PM (#17054787)
That's a different debate.

I have a problem with the self-delusion that its an entirely selfless charity thing while the GP articulates selfish reasons such as "you will feel good" and "karma" (assuming the reader believes in such concept).

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by daxorid on Saturday May 12, 2018 @10:49AM (#17054288)
These appeals to saving lives would be entirely unnecessary with just one small fix.

The supply of blood would be dramatically increased if the United Blood Services would simply pay $50 per unit. After testing and transportation, a unit of blood costs hospitals about $400. With transfusion services, the hospital charges the patient between $1400 and $3000 depending on provider. Adding a mere $50 to that in order to permanently solve supply constraints would be a huge win for everybody.

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by aleksei on Saturday May 12, 2018 @11:13AM (#17054397)
I believe the point for not paying for donating blood is to prevent people from lying about their health when donating. Anyway, saving a life should be far more valuable than 50 bucks.

BTW, a huge win for everybody would be not to have to pay ridiculous amounts for a bag of donated blood.

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by stochastic_monk on Saturday May 12, 2018 @11:12AM (#17054393)
Part of why I don't donate blood is that the Red Cross has a history of misappropriating funds and hasn't been honest about how their money has been used.

It's been a multibillion dollar industry for decades, and it sure seems to me that I'd donate my time and blood only to enrich other people.

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by aleksei on Saturday May 12, 2018 @11:20AM (#17054432)
I would hope only a very small part. Sure, don't give money, but it's not like your blood will be diverted to some offshore blood haven. It's one of the few things you can be pretty sure will be given to people in need.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by zokier on Saturday May 12, 2018 @12:50PM (#17054863)
> will be given to people in need.

Given or sold? Big difference there. If sold, then it is pretty much the same as giving ARC the equivalent amount of money.

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by firethief on Saturday May 12, 2018 @03:19PM (#17055565)
On their finance sheet maybe, but not in terms of lives saved.
Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by ythn on Saturday May 12, 2018 @11:56AM (#17054629)
> Cancer patients need platelets.

If I donate blood will cancer patients get the blood/platelets/etc. for free or will my blood be sold at a profit at some level of healthcare bureaucracy?

Re:Man donated blood every week for 60 years and helped save... by simonebrunozzi on Saturday May 12, 2018 @12:02PM (#17054669)
Unfortunately this is a big issue in many places around the world.