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Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by ggregoire on Friday May 11, 2018 @08:20PM (#17051665)
Is it normal in America to be in the news when you take some vacations?
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by rajacombinator on Friday May 11, 2018 @08:33PM (#17051731)
If people have multi-billion bets against your employer and they want to pay for an ominous sounding article, then yes.
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by twostorytower on Friday May 11, 2018 @08:38PM (#17051752)
100% this is the case.
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by toomuchtodo on Friday May 11, 2018 @09:03PM (#17051871)
Shorts are desperate. Current highest Model 3 VIN puts production at 4K/week. They’ll easily hit 5k/week target by end of June.

Usual disclaimer: TSLA shareholder

Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by rootusrootus on Friday May 11, 2018 @10:31PM (#17052186)
I feel like it's the other way around. With the market cap so completely out of sync with reality, shorting seems like the safer choice.
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by toomuchtodo on Friday May 11, 2018 @10:44PM (#17052224)
The market can stay irrational longer than you can remain solvent. When the short squeeze occurs, it will incur pain.

Personally, I don’t think their valuation is irrational. They’re not a car company, they’re an energy storage company, the market for which is enormous.

Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by ajross on Friday May 11, 2018 @10:24PM (#17052155)
No one has multi-billion bets against TSLA. It's only like 25% off its all time high and has a market cap bigger than GM.
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by throwaway5752 on Friday May 11, 2018 @10:33PM (#17052190)
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TSLA/key-statistics?p=TSLA

A bit down the page on the right, you'll see "Shares Short", "Short Ratio", "Short % of Float", and "Shares Short (prior month)".

What that is telling you is that almost $10B of Tesla stock has been borrowed and sold (with the profit coming from buying in the future at lower prices, ie, betting against TSLA). That is increased about 7% from the prior month, and would take almost 5 entire days of average trading volume to close out all the short positions.

This is a high level of betting against a stock by any standard.

Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by beambot on Saturday May 12, 2018 @03:54AM (#17052976)
Is this short ratio atypical? I presume it involves some major institutional investors being against TSLA, but is there a good way to determine who?
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by tofu8 on Saturday May 12, 2018 @02:11PM (#17055258)
>Is this short ratio atypical?

I wouldn't say so. There are other heavily shorted stocks that have a much higher short ratio because of their small float (e.g. MTCH).

>but is there a good way to determine who?

Short sellers don't have to disclose their positions, unlike investors who're long the stock. You can try to get a better sense of who's thinking what through headlines and analyst notes/reports.

Side note: Elon tweeted out that we'd see the 'burn of the century' (a short squeeze) and that it would be bigger than the VW/Porsche squeeze in 08.

Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by throwaway5752 on Saturday May 12, 2018 @07:49PM (#17056636)
Thanks, for replying when I couldn't! Generally I agree with you. I would disagree that this level of short interest is typical, I think 20%+ short interest is high 90s percentile territory. The relatively low short ratio is more indicative of how highly traded TSLA is (short ratio = short interest / avg daily volume).

If there's a way to report who is short a stock, I don't know it. There are also other trades to profit from decreases in an underlying security (buying puts, selling calls) and I don't know about reporting obligations there, either.

Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by et2o on Friday May 11, 2018 @10:34PM (#17052191)
25% of all Tesla stock is out on loan according to the first Google result for "Tesla short" [1] Assuming most stocks on loan are due to shorting, 0.25*50 Billion (Tesla Market Cap)= approximately 10 Billion being shorted.

1. https://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/01/tesla-short-interest-hits-re...

Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by shanghaiaway on Saturday May 12, 2018 @08:28PM (#17056774)
12.5B
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by et2o on Sunday May 13, 2018 @11:29PM (#17062466)
I left some out out in my estimate in case stocks are loaned for another reason I'm not aware of.
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by fanzhang on Friday May 11, 2018 @08:27PM (#17051701)
I hope not, but I think it's normal for newspapers to maximize revenue by playing up potentially mundane events.
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by danso on Friday May 11, 2018 @10:05PM (#17052100)
Or maybe Tesla and/or its market position are not mundane.
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by matte_black on Friday May 11, 2018 @08:26PM (#17051694)
A vacation of several weeks when you’re a chief? Most certainly. Investors need to know.
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by frisco on Friday May 11, 2018 @08:31PM (#17051723)
> Investors need to know.

Really? That's nonsense. This sentiment is a great example of what's so toxic about the public markets now. Everyone is complaining that so much value creation is happening in private companies going public later - a big reason is because of this idea that investors should care about when one person at a 36,000 person company goes on vacation and that this should move the stock price. Ridiculous. It's distracting noise.

Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by lhorie on Friday May 11, 2018 @08:37PM (#17051747)
I agree. There's gotta be a limit to how short-term-oriented/short-sighted investors can be. What's next? "Stock plunges when CEO goes to the bathroom"?
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by greglindahl on Saturday May 12, 2018 @02:22AM (#17052742)
"Stock plunges when CEO gets testy on earnings call" -- that was last week's headline.
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by refurb on Friday May 11, 2018 @08:47PM (#17051802)
This is a company when dozens of senior leadership have left the company. So yes, confirming he's just "on vacation" is relevant as the assumption could be he left too.

Btw - I don't believe he is "on vacation". It's something else, but probably doesn't matter in the end.

Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by kelp on Friday May 11, 2018 @09:23PM (#17051959)
To add to this, I think it would be a worse sign for the company if they have a number of people in such a critical path, that they can never take significant time off. If you're doing your job well as a leader (and an organization), you have people who can fill in for you.
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by matte_black on Friday May 11, 2018 @08:42PM (#17051774)
Don’t want to deal with it? Don’t go public. Zero sympathy. You take the public’s money, you owe them your word.

Maybe if you had hundreds of thousands invested in TSLA and were concerned about their downward spiral you’d think different.

Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by jcims on Friday May 11, 2018 @09:19PM (#17051944)
What have they taken that wasn’t offered?
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by shub on Saturday May 12, 2018 @02:15AM (#17052725)
If I had hundreds of thousands of dollars in TSLA it would mean that I had tens of millions elsewhere. But then, my parents are both actuaries and even my groceries are hedged.
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by ClassyJacket on Friday May 11, 2018 @08:38PM (#17051759)
Yeah but isn't that something that could be handled between the company and investors, not on a public news site?
Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by ucaetano on Friday May 11, 2018 @08:46PM (#17051796)
> handled between the company and investors

There's no such thing for a public company. It either talks to the board, which represents investors, or to the public, since it is impossible to know who owns shares of a public company.

And in practice, given index funds, most people do.

Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by ClassyJacket on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @04:18AM (#17072433)
Okay, not an entirely unreasonable point.

But then that would imply that Tesla has an obligation to make sure third party news outlets report on every holiday taken by every executive. I'm not saying it has to be private information, but why not announce it on their website? Why does the Wall Street Journal have to do it?

Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by ucaetano on Thursday May 17, 2018 @06:22PM (#17096603)
> But then that would imply that Tesla has an obligation to make sure third party news outlets report on every holiday taken by every executive.

Public companies have to publicly report any "relevant facts" that could seriously impact the company and the investors. A Senior Vice President of Engineering taking a leave of absence of many weeks (or more, with no end announced) during a major engineering crisis in the company is by all means a relevant fact.

Re:Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivot... by calvinbhai on Friday May 11, 2018 @09:09PM (#17051896)
in USA, yes. I think the rest of America is better at taking vacations :)