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Re:Subscription Hell by bastawhiz on Sunday May 06, 2018 @02:01PM (#17007439)
There's a difference between charging for updates and charging for continued use. What if Sublime Text started charging a monthly fee just to use it? There's no excuse.

> But as far as most software pricing goes, if it's so bad, then people wouldn't pay.

And yet people keep paying ransomware for access to their important files.

Re:Subscription Hell by thechao on Sunday May 06, 2018 @03:56PM (#17008151)
If the sublime folk offered a “bug fix only” monthly subscription, I’d buy that. My grandfather went through a half day’s paycheck of tooling a month on his own dime. I figure bug fixes are the software equivalent of sharpening chisels, buying new bits, surfacing a mill, etc.
Re:Subscription Hell by mehrdadn on Sunday May 06, 2018 @09:37PM (#17009795)
> If the sublime folk offered a “bug fix only” monthly subscription, I’d buy that. My grandfather went through a half day’s paycheck of tooling a month on his own dime. I figure bug fixes are the software equivalent of sharpening chisels, buying new bits, surfacing a mill, etc.

Except bits don't rot?

Re:Subscription Hell by notSupplied on Sunday May 06, 2018 @11:18PM (#17010173)
New OS versions (especially from Apple) regularly create new bugs or completely break compatibility with old software. The cost of upkeep is not entirely predictable and easy to "price-in" to the upfront cost.
Re:Subscription Hell by mehrdadn on Monday May 07, 2018 @01:45AM (#17010631)
Can't speak for Apple I guess, but this isn't exactly the normal case on Windows.
Re:Subscription Hell by culturestate on Monday May 07, 2018 @03:55AM (#17011060)
Microsoft jumps through hoops for backwards compatibility, often to their own detriment. Apple - comparatively, not absolutely - almost ignores backwards compatibility...also often to their own detriment.
Re:Subscription Hell by heavenlyblue on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @07:41AM (#17029046)
They don't rot but they get rusty.
Re:Subscription Hell by xab9 on Sunday May 06, 2018 @02:09PM (#17007485)
Like Webstorm?

I do feel that I get value for my money and with the yearly fee I get all the updates (which are important in the ever changing world of web development), but sometimes it still feels like protection racket.

Re:Subscription Hell by sn0wfire on Sunday May 06, 2018 @02:21PM (#17007552)
Jetbrains does not require subscriptions for continued use of any version. Purchasing a 12-month subscription (which is cheaper than their previous "perpetual license") gives you a perpetual license for the current version of software.

This is actually my favourite licensing technique I have come across for software.

https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207240845-What...

Re:Subscription Hell by Joeri on Sunday May 06, 2018 @04:27PM (#17008318)
There’s a difference though. Previously the version you ended up with was the one at the end of the year of updates. In the current model you have to reinstall the old version of the time of purchase, undoing the updates you got. It’s actually quite clever since you immediately notice what you’re missing by not paying.
Re:Subscription Hell by donarb on Sunday May 06, 2018 @08:00PM (#17009399)
You can actually keep your next current version by buying for a few months to extend to the next 12 month anniversary. See last timeline example on this page:

https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207240845-What...

Re:Subscription Hell by Rapzid on Sunday May 06, 2018 @07:02PM (#17009138)
I could have sworn they offer specials or something where you can get the current and next version.. can't recall, I end up upgrading each year to keep my discount going.
Re:Subscription Hell by Bishonen88 on Sunday May 06, 2018 @02:20PM (#17007543)
no, not like webstorm. Webstorm is pretty similar to sublime text. You pay a price for a perpetual license. After one year of use, you can decide whether you keep on using the 'old' version, or if you pay again to have the newest one with all the updates. I think the comment you were referring to was thinking about stuff like adobe, where if you don't pay, you don't get anything.
Re:Subscription Hell by xab9 on Sunday May 06, 2018 @02:29PM (#17007597)
Indeed, you're right. Don't Adobe give you some "cloud storage" thing though? Fortunately now that we're using Figma I don't have to deal with the hundred pound gorilla called Photoshop.
Re:Subscription Hell by siscia on Sunday May 06, 2018 @02:42PM (#17007666)
Sorry but nobody is forcing you to use sublime.

If they started charging just for use they wouldn't need neither an excuse nor a justification.

I really don't see your point.

If you could explain further why you think sublime would need an excuse for charging a monthly fee I would really appreciate.

Re:Subscription Hell by coldtea on Sunday May 06, 2018 @04:56PM (#17008473)
>If they started charging just for use they wouldn't need neither an excuse nor a justification.

Actually they'd need both.

And companies are not so dumb as not to understand this. Any company that started charging or went into a subscription model, offered both excuses and justifications for doing so.

You might be think "it's a free country, it's their product, and they can do anything with it".

Which is true in a trivial way (they're allowed by the law to do anything they like in that area), but it's also wrong.

Wrong in that in practice they're not really free: to survive they are bound to the market and their customers responses.

So they're free only as much as they're OK with pissing their user base and potentially losing sales (or have most of them go for some other product, and kill their own user base -- e.g. Quark xPress vs Adobe Indesign, and tons of other similar examples).

Re:Subscription Hell by icebraining on Sunday May 06, 2018 @03:57PM (#17008159)
Yeah, I don't see the reason besides "I don't like it" either.

If the problem is access to files, then they could just have a free converter tool to some standard format.