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Re:NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp ris... by wybiral on Friday May 04, 2018 @07:08PM (#16999164)
If your grandmother worked somewhere with access to critical infrastructure or had access to IP that would be in our best interest to protect and she was for some reason in contact with terrorists or suspected foreign agents then it's useful information.

Keep in mind that they need court ordered approval to access the data so without that existing context it's off limits.

You should be more concerned with what your service providers and companies like Google or Facebook are doing with that data because they aren't limited by FISA courts.

Re:NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp ris... by stale2002 on Friday May 04, 2018 @10:14PM (#16999952)
OK then. And you believe that there are literally 500 million phones going to suspected terrorists in the US?

Also, I'd like to point out that the fisa courts do not limit anything. They are a rubber stamp, that never rejects anything.

Re:NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp ris... by wybiral on Saturday May 05, 2018 @10:09AM (#17001859)
As I understand it, to quote the article:

> 534 million records of phone calls and text messages

But we don't know how that breaks down to "phones" as you say. I don't even like to use my phone but I bet if you count my texts and calls in a year it would be in the 1000s of records.

No I don't believe that there are "500 million phones going to suspected terrorists in the US" but there may be 500 messages from individuals who have suspected connections to terrorists and foreign agents. And you would never know for sure unless you can look at their metadata to analyze those suspected connections.

You're right that the FISA approval rate is incredible. But it's still a record of requests made (which helps prevent abuse). and as I understand it that number of requests is only in the ~2000 range.

Again, it's a much better situation than the level of scrutiny you're holding to companies like Google/Facebook/Microsoft or ISPs. And those companies aren't even offering national security as a service.

Re:NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp ris... by stale2002 on Sunday May 06, 2018 @06:20PM (#17008941)
Ah, so what you are saying is that with only 2000 Fisa requests they were able to get ALL that data?

I guess if you just make 1 fisa request that says "give me everything" then that's good enough, right?

At least with those other companies I have a choice to use them or not. If I don't like Google I can use duck duck go, or something else.

The government doesn't give me a choice of whether I am spied on or not.