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Re:NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp ris... by BookmarkSaver on Friday May 04, 2018 @06:18PM (#16998858)
>We have not been made (substantially) safer.

How do you know that?

>Were property crimes up significantly prior to the installation of the ANPR readers? No. Are they down significantly after? No.

I get that this comparison sounds similar, but it really doesn't make any sense. The most powerful nations in the world are constantly trying to gain as much access to our secure systems, communications, and infrastructure. Even though these efforts are almost entirely hidden from every level of the public, we still have plenty of stories of things like Stuxnet or the Chinese obtaining classified engineering data.

The NSA exists to combat this. They aren't fighting crime. They aren't fighting what is essentially an economically guaranteed statistical effect (property crime). They are an intelligence gathering and signal analysis agency tasked with thwarting foreign actors, which we know are actively pouring massive resources into activities hostile to us. That is why they exist, and that is why their successes (and failures) are almost entirely unknown to the general public.

Re:NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp ris... by schoen on Friday May 04, 2018 @06:48PM (#16999058)
Upvoted for making specific arguments rather than abusing people, like you did in some other parts of this thread.
Re:NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp ris... by BookmarkSaver on Friday May 04, 2018 @07:09PM (#16999165)
Because it seemed like a legitimate misunderstanding rather than a complete unwillingness to even glance at the NSAs mandate.
Re:NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp ris... by orcs on Friday May 04, 2018 @06:58PM (#16999120)
Wasn't stuxnet created by the NSA?
Re:NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp ris... by BookmarkSaver on Friday May 04, 2018 @07:06PM (#16999154)
IIRC yes. I also think I heard that Israel was involved. Anyway, who did it wasn't my point, my point was that all governments are engaged in this level of competition. The NSA exists (and has such a monstrous budget) because it is in constant, direct conflict with extremely capable and dangerous opponents. (not trying to pick out deranged criminals acting indepenedently from a crowd)
Re:NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp ris... by wybiral on Friday May 04, 2018 @07:17PM (#16999201)
Wasn't the reporting about it being NSA + Israel all from Kaspersky or did any non-biased researchers confirm?