Re:The Helium Factor and Hard Drive Failure Rates
by b11484 on Thursday May 03, 2018 @03:52PM
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In the article it states that the helium can typically reduce drag by 20%. How much of an effect does that have on the cost of powering the drive? I assume it would at least be less than a 20% improvement overall.
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Re:The Helium Factor and Hard Drive Failure Rates
by atYevP on Thursday May 03, 2018 @04:07PM
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Yev from Backblaze here -> You'd have to look at the entire cabinet to get a better sense of the power savings. Post author Andy explains a bit more here -> http://disq.us/p/1s8psup.
Re:The Helium Factor and Hard Drive Failure Rates
by ThePhysicist on Thursday May 03, 2018 @04:18PM
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Maybe this is a stupid question, but why don't manufacturers evacuate the drives (i.e. create a vacuum) instead of filling them with Helium?
Re:The Helium Factor and Hard Drive Failure Rates
by jarvist on Thursday May 03, 2018 @04:21PM
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It's much easier physically to build something which can hold e.g. +0.1 atmosphere helium, than resist imploding against -1.0 atmosphere. Practically speaking, pumping down to vacuum is a slow process, whereas you can flush with an inert gas.
Finally, hard-drive heads actually float on lamina of gas; this is one of the reasons that normal open-circuit hard drives have a maximum operating altitude.
Re:The Helium Factor and Hard Drive Failure Rates
by rconti on Thursday May 03, 2018 @04:32PM
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Wait, if it's +0.1 atm helium (for example), what happens if it develops a slight leak, a leak from which helium molecules can escape but air molecules cannot? once the pressure reaches equilibrium, there would be no reason for additional helium to escape, and because air can't enter.... then what?
Re:The Helium Factor and Hard Drive Failure Rates
by rleigh on Thursday May 03, 2018 @04:59PM
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That isn't how it works though--look up partial pressures of gases. Helium will continue to escape until its partial pressure is at equilibrium with the external environment, i.e. near to zero, and the external gases will enter until they are at equilibrium with the internal environment. At that point the partial pressure of each gas will be equal on both sides.
Re:The Helium Factor and Hard Drive Failure Rates
by ak217 on Thursday May 03, 2018 @05:29PM
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What happens to these helium hard drives if you repeatedly cycle the pressure, like by taking the hard drive on an airplane?
Re:The Helium Factor and Hard Drive Failure Rates
by rleigh on Friday May 04, 2018 @03:59AM
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Since the partial pressure of helium at ground level and flight level is essentially the same (≈0) there should be very little change, providing the seals are intact. Since they are very securely sealed to contain the helium, changes to the external pressure, unless extreme, should not have any significant effect.
Re:The Helium Factor and Hard Drive Failure Rates
by downrightmike on Thursday May 03, 2018 @04:56PM
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He states that they see one drive that is between 94-99%, but that may be a sensor issue. You'd lose the power savings.
Re:The Helium Factor and Hard Drive Failure Rates
by fulafel on Friday May 04, 2018 @12:30AM
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Nit: those are not percentages indicating how much helium left, just some undocumented SMART attribute "raw values", there is no direct way to find out their meaning. (This is what the article text implies too).
The raw attribute values could be for example 100 = good 99 = moderate 98 = degraded, or a log scale similar to decibels etc. Or it could be a bitfield that has no meaning as a decimal number. etc
Re:The Helium Factor and Hard Drive Failure Rates
by the_cat_kittles on Friday May 04, 2018 @01:21AM
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would that still be a problem if you pulled a vacuum outside the drive as well? like put the whole thing in a chamber?
Re:The Helium Factor and Hard Drive Failure Rates
by ScottBurson on Thursday May 03, 2018 @05:59PM
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Duskwuff has it right: the air or other gas is a critical component of the system. The spinning platters pull the gas along with them, and the head assembly is designed so that its aerodynamics control the "flying height" [0], the distance between the head and the platter. In a vacuum, there would be no easy way to keep the head from coming into contact with the platter, which is what causes head crashes. (In the era of sealed drives, head crashes are quite rare, but they used to be much more common. In a head crash, the head rips the magnetic coating off the platter, destroying it.)
Re:The Helium Factor and Hard Drive Failure Rates
by mrb on Thursday May 03, 2018 @08:22PM
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You are exactly right. WD explains the same in https://blog.westerndigital.com/rise-helium-drives/ :
«Without air, the heads will crash into the disk»