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Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by pavel_lishin on Thursday May 03, 2018 @10:42AM (#16986451)
> According to the conventional view in paleoanthropology, only our species, Homo sapiens, had the cognitive capacity to construct watercraft. And to reach the island where the rhino was found, well, like Chief Brody says, “you’re gonna need a bigger boat.”

I think if you throw enough hominins in small boats at the ocean, at least a few of them are bound to survive the trip, right? I wonder how many island settlers in pre-history were just castaways who happened to hold on to a tree long enough to survive a monsoon-spurred ocean trip.

Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by cfadvan on Thursday May 03, 2018 @10:47AM (#16986498)
I agree with your point about just a few on crude boats being needed for this outcome, but the log thing is probably a no-go. Even warm water below body temp will be enough to kill you from hypothermia before you can cross an ocean. Water conducts heat very well, so it would need to be a very quick trip. Crude boats or rafts though, or mats of vegetation could probably work given enough chances.
Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by tCfD on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:32PM (#16987432)
In his Journal of Researches as well as the condensed recount found in The Voyage of the Beagle, a young Charles Darwin describes his considerable astonishment at the constitutional robustness of the indigenous peoples he encountered in Tierra del Fuego in the 1830s. At that time they were called Fuegians, though in more modern times they are referred to as Yaghans.

Despite their homelands being situated among the harshest, most inhospitable climes on Earth, with year round temperatures frequently near or below freezing and constant powerful circumpolar winds from the 'furious fifties,' they were able to tolerate such extreme conditions despite their traditional attire consisting of little more than a loincloth and an occasional loosely draped shawl. They frequently went without protection on their upper body and lower extremities altogether. Darwin describes a vivid scene where a Fuegian mother is standing in a shallow boat that approaches the Beagle in order to conduct raid. She's wearing nothing but newborn nursing at her breast, and she and her child both seem indifferent to the the snowfall and freezing rain melting on their skin.

They did not use permanent dwellings, and basically lived as gatherers using simple temporary makeshift huts with one side facing the wind and the other side open, and of course a fire, which gave the region its name. But it was not uncommon for them to spend days foraging for mussels, drenched in the frigid crashing breakers of the Southern Ocean.

This is 30 years before he published the Origin of Species and long before he had developed an articulated concept of natural selection, but The experience did inspire him to remark how it made intuitive sense that as the population of mankind spread across the Earth, that it would have differentiated and adapted to different climates in accordance with whatever underlying principles had driven the same process he had observed this happening with other species.

If curious, Google around for Jemmy Button and York Minster, these being too individuals who had been kidnapped from Tierra del Fuego and taken to England on a prior Beagle expedition, and returned on the one accompanied by Darwin.

Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by goldenkey on Thursday May 03, 2018 @11:04AM (#16986661)
I guess most people like me haven't thought about the necessity of a fire pit on wooden boats. Only other thing I could think of would be well fed exothermic animals onboard.
Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by TallGuyShort on Thursday May 03, 2018 @11:41AM (#16986964)
Well-fed, well-clothed exothermic humans do just fine so long as they're staying dry - air doesn't conduct heat the way water does, even if it's adjacent to water.
Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by pavel_lishin on Thursday May 03, 2018 @01:36PM (#16987972)
A fire pit is fine as long as your boat is fairly wet, I believe.

You should pick up Kon-Tiki - those guys discovered a lot about ancient boating.

Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by icapybara on Thursday May 03, 2018 @11:52AM (#16987054)
Today with a population of 7 billion? Sure. 700,000 years ago? There weren't many hominins back then though. Not enough to throw a bunch in the ocean and hope some of them survive the trip.
Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by dyyni on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:27PM (#16987386)
But the time period of such migrations could have been thousands of years.
Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by bugs_bunny on Thursday May 03, 2018 @10:57AM (#16986587)
Yeh, what concerns me is the boat the rhino used to get there.
Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by pvaldes on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:42PM (#16987526)
It was a submarhino, of course.

(Probably a species of rhino inhabitant swamps could swim among close islands. Elephants are surprisingly good swimmers so, why not rhinos?)

Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by sizzzzlerz on Thursday May 03, 2018 @01:33PM (#16987950)
Maybe it was part of a very early version of The Dharma Initiative.
Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by jrq on Thursday May 03, 2018 @10:59AM (#16986615)
It's a puzzler!
Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by Lordarminius on Thursday May 03, 2018 @11:18AM (#16986776)
> Yeah, what concerns me is the boat the Rhino used to get there

I laughed out loudly at the office when I read this. My coworker is wondering if I'm bonkers.

On a more serious note, the orthodox time line of human existence needs revision. There is too much contradictory evidence: oral accounts, human footprints beside dinosaur foot impressions, Gobeki-Tepli and other structures, prehistoric sculpture like lion-man and vogelherd, now this.

Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by aswanson on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:01PM (#16987132)
I did also. Needed that laugh.
Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by jwegan on Thursday May 03, 2018 @11:35AM (#16986918)
The problem is just 1 or 2 or even 10 people washing ashore on an island wouldn't be enough genetic diversity to sustain a population.
Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by jandrese on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:18PM (#16987288)
On the other hand, the population wasn't sustained. One or two generations of people on that island would still leave behind a good number of artifacts.

IMHO concern that the population wasn't large enough for multiple people to attempt the trick ignore the timescales involved. These events could span tens of thousands of years--longer than all of recorded history.

Re:Hominin head-scratcher: who butchered this rhino 700k yea... by s_m_t on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:01PM (#16987134)
Is that actually true? Surely they'd encounter some problems but why would they absolutely be doomed?