Python startup time: milliseconds matter

Re:Python startup time: milliseconds matter by quotemstr on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @06:49PM (#16981838)

The C++ rationale is bizarre. That a 2008 compiler doesn't provide modern features is unsurprising. They've chosen to use Rust is a strange reaction to this limitation, since it would be just as easy, from a toolchain perspective, to just use a modern C++ compiler.

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Re:Python startup time: milliseconds matter by CJefferson on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:09PM (#16987196)

One big advantage of rust is that (while some people won't like this), rust assumes you won't install it from your package manager, but download a script which installs it in your home directory. This script is quick and easy.

Trying to install a c++ compiler from source (and I've done it several times) is a much less plesent experience, so most people stick with what their package manager provides.

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Re:Python startup time: milliseconds matter by adrianN on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:34AM (#16983371)

Language features aside, Rust is a lot nicer to work with because it has cargo and using libraries is no longer a pain.

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Re:Python startup time: milliseconds matter by pjmlp on Thursday May 03, 2018 @03:14AM (#16983963)

Depends which libraries we are talking about, try to use GUI libraries from Rust.

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Re:Python startup time: milliseconds matter by mratsim on Thursday May 03, 2018 @04:25AM (#16984234)

That isn't fair, all languages besides JS+HTML+CSS have issues with GUI libraries. Either you go Electron/webview or you have to deal with Qt/GTK for cross-platform GUI.

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Re:Python startup time: milliseconds matter by pjmlp on Thursday May 03, 2018 @04:53AM (#16984357)

Sure it is fair, Java, C++, C#, VB.NET, Delphi, Objective-C, Swift have quite good GUI libraries available.

And regarding JS+HTML+CSS, they are still on the stone age of RAD tooling.

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Re:Python startup time: milliseconds matter by mratsim on Thursday May 03, 2018 @11:43AM (#16986985)

I think you missed the cross-platform part of my answer.

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Re:Python startup time: milliseconds matter by pjmlp on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:48PM (#16987572)

Some of those languages do have cross-platform GUI offerings.

Even AWT is better than any option currently natively available to Rust.

After all, "using libraries is no longer a pain" is not what I felt when converting an old toy application from Gtkmm to Gtk-rs.

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